Did Moses and Elijah rise from dead before Christ?
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he renamed named His bride Israel meaning; "he who wrestles with flesh and blood and because the born again Spirit of Christ is in him to help him he overcomes." Changed it to Christian meaning " residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ .All words have meaning attached that must be looked into if we desire to search out the mysteries hidden in parables .
Yes he gives names with meaning . like Lazarus. "God helps the poor". He uses words like rich man natural unconverted mankind that are seeking after another kind of teaching master.
God in the end of the matter beginning in verse 1 sums it up; If they do not serve Him not seen as the teaching Master .Than neither would mankind believe if the Son of God arose from the tomb . Faith comes by hearing before the work is performed.
Looking at the work is not walking by faith its walking by sight. Faith is a work. The object lesson of the parable the whole chapter . No man can serve two teaching masters .God has his own two witnesses, the law and the prophets.
Yes he gives names with meaning . like Lazarus. "God helps the poor". He uses words like rich man natural unconverted mankind that are seeking after another kind of teaching master.
God in the end of the matter beginning in verse 1 sums it up; If they do not serve Him not seen as the teaching Master .Than neither would mankind believe if the Son of God arose from the tomb . Faith comes by hearing before the work is performed.
Looking at the work is not walking by faith its walking by sight. Faith is a work. The object lesson of the parable the whole chapter . No man can serve two teaching masters .God has his own two witnesses, the law and the prophets.
Yes David was a type of Christ in the O.T. Many things David did was foreshadowing for the Messiah. But these verses indicate that God will resurrect David in the Day of the Lord. Just like the rest of the O.T. saints.
After the exile period (“afterward”) and “in the latter days” Israel will return to her husband to enjoy the blessings of the renewed relationship. In a messianic reference, David will be resurrected to lead Israel to the Lord (Hos 3:5).
David will apparently be a regent in the millennial kingdom. A number of prophecies speak of David’s important place in the kingdom (Jer. 30:9; Ezek. 37:24–25). David, who with other Old Testament believers will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ, will act as a prince under the authority of Christ, the King.
After judging the individual sheep, God will exercise His leadership by appointing a new shepherd (vv. 23–24). This shepherd, God stated, will be His servant David. Many see this as an allusion to Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11–18), who descended from the line of David to be the King of Israel (Matt. 1:1). However, nothing in Ezekiel 34:23 demands that Ezekiel was not referring to the literal King David who will be resurrected to serve as Israel’s righteous prince. David is referred to by name elsewhere in passages that look to the future restoration of Israel (Jer. 30:9; Ezek. 37:24–25; Hosea 3:5). Also Ezekiel indicated that David will be the prince (nāśî’) of the restored people (Ezek. 34:24; 37:25). This same “prince” will then offer sin offerings for himself during the millennial period (45:22; 46:4). Such actions would hardly be appropriate for the sinless Son of God, but they would be for David. So the evidence is weightier, in favor a literal reference to a resurrected David.
If you are an Amillennialist, I can see why you disagree
After the exile period (“afterward”) and “in the latter days” Israel will return to her husband to enjoy the blessings of the renewed relationship. In a messianic reference, David will be resurrected to lead Israel to the Lord (Hos 3:5).
David will apparently be a regent in the millennial kingdom. A number of prophecies speak of David’s important place in the kingdom (Jer. 30:9; Ezek. 37:24–25). David, who with other Old Testament believers will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ, will act as a prince under the authority of Christ, the King.
After judging the individual sheep, God will exercise His leadership by appointing a new shepherd (vv. 23–24). This shepherd, God stated, will be His servant David. Many see this as an allusion to Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11–18), who descended from the line of David to be the King of Israel (Matt. 1:1). However, nothing in Ezekiel 34:23 demands that Ezekiel was not referring to the literal King David who will be resurrected to serve as Israel’s righteous prince. David is referred to by name elsewhere in passages that look to the future restoration of Israel (Jer. 30:9; Ezek. 37:24–25; Hosea 3:5). Also Ezekiel indicated that David will be the prince (nāśî’) of the restored people (Ezek. 34:24; 37:25). This same “prince” will then offer sin offerings for himself during the millennial period (45:22; 46:4). Such actions would hardly be appropriate for the sinless Son of God, but they would be for David. So the evidence is weightier, in favor a literal reference to a resurrected David.
If you are an Amillennialist, I can see why you disagree
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Jesus and the entire church are Amillennial. The council of Ephesus condemned pre-millennialism as heresy in 431. Where you break off from the church is in disregarding Jesus' teaching on the kingdom as spiritual only. This means ALL kingdom prophecies in the OT are symbolic and not literal. The same with Revelation. The Pharisees were literalists and Jesus taught against this.
You should respond to my comment before you just say its wrong and that people disagree with it.
"when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you."
-1 Cor 11:16
What are your top 3 verses for this? I'm just curious
Jesus certainly corrected them for their misunderstandings about nuances of the Scriptures. But when dd Jesus condemn the Pharisee's for their literalism?
"when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you."
-1 Cor 11:16
What are your top 3 verses for this? I'm just curious
Jesus certainly corrected them for their misunderstandings about nuances of the Scriptures. But when dd Jesus condemn the Pharisee's for their literalism?
This will provide a starting point for you to understand the Kingdom as Jesus does. It will cause a huge difference in how you understand eschatology from what you now believe.
Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)
“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)
“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)
“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)
“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
Thank you for providing these verses. I read them carefully. I think i understand why we have a "disagreement".
It seems that you think I believe that the kingdom is not spiritual. That is not the case.
I believe that the Kingdom is not merely spiritual.
I believe that the Kingdom of God is spiritual and physical co-existing, just as the resurrected state of the Lord was, and so shall our resurrection be:
"For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection"
(Rom 6:5)
That might not make sense to some, but its clear as day in my understanding, and I think its the only view that has no Scriptural tension.
It seems that you think I believe that the kingdom is not spiritual. That is not the case.
I believe that the Kingdom is not merely spiritual.
I believe that the Kingdom of God is spiritual and physical co-existing, just as the resurrected state of the Lord was, and so shall our resurrection be:
"For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection"
(Rom 6:5)
That might not make sense to some, but its clear as day in my understanding, and I think its the only view that has no Scriptural tension.
You're right, "flesh and blood" cannot....but "flesh and bone" can Lk 24:39 (but that's a whole other conversation).
Do you think that God cannot change our physical form to be able to inherit the Kingdom? The key verse for understanding the state of resurrected body is Rom 6:5, 8:11 and 1 Cor 15. Some might ask "how are the dead raised?" The "spiritual body" is defined for us:
"For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality "
The change we will undergo is an addition of a 2nd nature we once had not.
Our natural bodies will "put on" the spiritual. Its a permanent reunion of something that Adam fragmented, but Christ restored.
What do you think Adam and Eve were clothed with before the fall?
Do you think that God cannot change our physical form to be able to inherit the Kingdom? The key verse for understanding the state of resurrected body is Rom 6:5, 8:11 and 1 Cor 15. Some might ask "how are the dead raised?" The "spiritual body" is defined for us:
"For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality "
The change we will undergo is an addition of a 2nd nature we once had not.
Our natural bodies will "put on" the spiritual. Its a permanent reunion of something that Adam fragmented, but Christ restored.
What do you think Adam and Eve were clothed with before the fall?