Please see Rom 11:25-26 and Rom 11:28-29. But the vast portion of scripture says the same thing.
All of these preterist theories and allegorical interpretations are exceedingly simple to quash by a literal reading to the plain text.
What if Daniel did have a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks?
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All of these preterist theories and allegorical interpretations are exceedingly simple to quash by a literal reading to the plain text.
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Not all of them have
we should not be to quick to make things which have not literally happened fulfilled
it makes God out to be a liar, and someone who does not really know what will happen. and defeats the purpose for prophecy to begin with
Daniel said the eternal Kingdom of God would come in the time of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. To the born again, it came right on time according to scripture. It was the gospel of the kingdom identified through scripture Jesus and the disciples preached. To the Pharisees and blind, the kingdom did not come. Why? Because they could not see it thinking it was a to be a physical kingdom. And this condition remains today. Most blindly look for the same physical millennial kingdom the Pharisees still look for.
But does this blindness result in the great end-time apostasy Paul spoke of? I believe it does. Because a physical kingdom results in a rejection of Christ and his shed blood on the cross. And a return to Judaism and Temple animal sacrifice. This rejects Christ and his blood in a way that cannot be forgiven, according to Hebrews 6.
Also, the temple measurements are not complete. So any attempt to draw pictures of it is sacrilege by adding dimensions to God's word. The fact that only God can build it proves it is symbolic of Jesus and his atonement, being the temple made without hands.
But does this blindness result in the great end-time apostasy Paul spoke of? I believe it does. Because a physical kingdom results in a rejection of Christ and his shed blood on the cross. And a return to Judaism and Temple animal sacrifice. This rejects Christ and his blood in a way that cannot be forgiven, according to Hebrews 6.
Also, the temple measurements are not complete. So any attempt to draw pictures of it is sacrilege by adding dimensions to God's word. The fact that only God can build it proves it is symbolic of Jesus and his atonement, being the temple made without hands.
Replacement theology in nowhere to be found in Scripture. However, the final and inevitable restoration of Israel is noted hundreds of times. The Church cannot be Israel because NOWHERE in Scripture is it noted that the Church is "restored".
You do err...
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.” Acts 3:22 (KJV 1900)
“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)
Has zero to do with replacement theology. All prophecy and unconditional covenants will be fulfilled......to the letter.
Wasn't the destruction of the temple the completion of the 70 weeks (i.e. 490 years)? God waited 40 years from the murder of His son to forgive those who would truly repent.
Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
How is that possible? I think if you can ignore it, it won't be Jesus. If it's Jesus' return, every knee will bow and every tongue confess. It will be inevitable that we will know.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Jesus is Israel revealed in the New Covenant. Matthew and Paul both identify him. Israel is the people called by his name.
When he abolished circumcision he abolished physical unbelievers from among spiritual Israel, Only those who accept him are grafted back into the true vine. The land promises?
“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)
There are absolutely no scriptural support for these claims. Purely figments of imagination. The Church and Israel are distinct entities. Get a concordance and type in "mystery" and see what Paul has to say about the Church, Israel and the rapture.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Look people, Israel rejected their King and His EARTHLY REIGN the first time around (as prophesied). ThE SECOND TIME (Second Coming) Israel, under great duress, recognizes and pleads for His return (which He does....as prophesied) whereby He sets up His EARTHY REIGN, threby fulfilling all covenants and prophecy.
Any other view is error or heresy IMO.
Any other view is error or heresy IMO.
ALL 73 occurrences of the word "ISRAEL" in the NT always mean "Israel".
Note especially, in the following article, the entries under "Rom9:6, Rom11:26, Eph2:12, and Gal6:16" (those most oft referred to by Covenant Theology) :
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
Note especially, in the following article, the entries under "Rom9:6, Rom11:26, Eph2:12, and Gal6:16" (those most oft referred to by Covenant Theology) :
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
I will prove what I say since you are interested.
“It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel,nor are all the children Abraham’s true descendants; rather “through Isaac will your descendants be counted.”This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:6–8) (NET)
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (KJV 1900)
“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (KJV 1900)
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.” Galatians 3:7 (KJV 1900)
Abraham's seed = Israel.
Study out where Genesis speaks of "SEED [SINGULAR]" and "SEED [PLURAL]," to ascertain specifically what PAUL is speaking of here in Galatians.
[hint: no one is disagreeing that Christ is central and necessary for all to be fulfilled as prophesied.
But if we BLUR TOGETHER these DISTINCT references in Genesis to "SEED [SINGULAR]" and "SEED [PLURAL]" we miss the point he is making and miss other points also, blurring/marring the picture]
Maybe it would help to go back to the purpose of the "70 sevens" as explained to Daniel.
Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are decreed for your people [The Jews] and your holy city [Jerusalem] to:
1) restrain transgression
2) end their sins
3) blot out iniquities
4) atone for iniquity
5) bring in everlasting righteousness
6) end the vision & prophecy
7) anoint the most holy
There was a specific timeframe to accomplish these specific tasks. So the question is, where these tasks accomplished in the specified timeframe?
Well, the Messiah accomplished his part (tasks 3-7), but the people didn't accomplish theirs (tasks 1&2) and instead killed the Messiah.
For context, Gabriel was answering Daniel's prayer after studying Jeremiah and learning that Judah would be in punishment for 70 years for their sins. He was praying for forgiveness on behalf of his people to turn the punishment around. But Gabriel was explaining to him that it would be 7 times longer...and not only that, it would end with their utter destruction.
We read in Leviticus 26 that even while in a punishment, if the people continued to sin then it will increase 7 times in length and intensity...and if they continued in sin then 7 times more.
So a "70 year" punishment grew to "70 weeks of years" because they were (assumably) still sinning while in exile. And knowing this was a punishment they were already in the middle of helps put the "70 weeks" in perspective.
The "70 weeks" was a countdown for the Jews to complete all 7 tasks else they'd make their punishment worse. So we can safely assume if they had completed all 7 tasks they never would've had their city destroyed and been rejected...but that was also prophesied to be their end.
Paul explains in Romans 11 that after rejecting the Messiah the Jews were blinded and themselves rejected, and so salvation went to the gentiles. The Jews fell into an even more severe punishment, which suggests the prior probationary period of 70 weeks was over...not paused.
So if we say that the countdown was paused between the 69th and the 70th weeks, we're saying the Jews' probation - until a more severe judgment - was also paused...but this is completely opposite from what history has shown has happened to them since their rejection of the Messiah.
Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are decreed for your people [The Jews] and your holy city [Jerusalem] to:
1) restrain transgression
2) end their sins
3) blot out iniquities
4) atone for iniquity
5) bring in everlasting righteousness
6) end the vision & prophecy
7) anoint the most holy
There was a specific timeframe to accomplish these specific tasks. So the question is, where these tasks accomplished in the specified timeframe?
Well, the Messiah accomplished his part (tasks 3-7), but the people didn't accomplish theirs (tasks 1&2) and instead killed the Messiah.
For context, Gabriel was answering Daniel's prayer after studying Jeremiah and learning that Judah would be in punishment for 70 years for their sins. He was praying for forgiveness on behalf of his people to turn the punishment around. But Gabriel was explaining to him that it would be 7 times longer...and not only that, it would end with their utter destruction.
We read in Leviticus 26 that even while in a punishment, if the people continued to sin then it will increase 7 times in length and intensity...and if they continued in sin then 7 times more.
So a "70 year" punishment grew to "70 weeks of years" because they were (assumably) still sinning while in exile. And knowing this was a punishment they were already in the middle of helps put the "70 weeks" in perspective.
The "70 weeks" was a countdown for the Jews to complete all 7 tasks else they'd make their punishment worse. So we can safely assume if they had completed all 7 tasks they never would've had their city destroyed and been rejected...but that was also prophesied to be their end.
Paul explains in Romans 11 that after rejecting the Messiah the Jews were blinded and themselves rejected, and so salvation went to the gentiles. The Jews fell into an even more severe punishment, which suggests the prior probationary period of 70 weeks was over...not paused.
So if we say that the countdown was paused between the 69th and the 70th weeks, we're saying the Jews' probation - until a more severe judgment - was also paused...but this is completely opposite from what history has shown has happened to them since their rejection of the Messiah.
^ Not exactly.
The "I will punish you SEVEN TIMES more" applies only to the "360 yrs remaining."
IOW, it is not what the original "490 years" [i.e. "70 Weeks"] is about.
It is easy to CONFLATE the two DISTINCT time[-related] prophecies in Dan9. But they ARE distinct.
And then, don't forget about the "blindness [/hardening]... UNTIL" (Romans 11:25[15]).
The "I will punish you SEVEN TIMES more" applies only to the "360 yrs remaining."
IOW, it is not what the original "490 years" [i.e. "70 Weeks"] is about.
It is easy to CONFLATE the two DISTINCT time[-related] prophecies in Dan9. But they ARE distinct.
And then, don't forget about the "blindness [/hardening]... UNTIL"
(Romans 11:25[15]).
Daniel 9:2-4, 19
In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes...
[Prayer...]
19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name
Immediately after his prayer regarding the 70 years ends, Gabriel is telling Daniel he was sent to explain...
Daniel 9:21-22
21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding
And then, don't forget about the "blindness [/hardening]... UNTIL"
When do you think this blindness/hardening began?
Romans 11:15
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
^Casting away of Jews = so called Church age. And regathering of Jews = The Resurrection
Romans 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
^Blindness of Jews = Time of gentiles. Fullness of gentiles = no more blindness for Jews
Romans 11:28
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes
^During so called Church age, Jews are enemies of the Almighty. After church age and full number of gentiles have come in, Jews become "beloved" again not become enemies.
Luke 21:20-24
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled
Daniel 9 ends with the desolation of Jerusalem after the messiah is cut off.
In Luke 21:20-24 Messiah warns of the desolation by armies and then says gentiles will trample Jerusalem until the time of the gentiles is finished.
Paul then explains that the fall of the Jews = The time of the gentiles, which we have called the church age.
I've learned in these recent weeks that wasting precious breath on nonsense can be a great loss for one's life time here on earth.
If you're not aware, the one you're entering into argument with has a penchant for promoting as truth what is not actually Biblical. And they rarely if ever post scripture in proper context or at all to sustain their claims. You will never reach them with actual truth through the scripture.
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