What is the bible?

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

You are correct. VW filters out any information that does not agree with his mindset. He is unable to accept reality, which is that he is no more special to God than anyone else.

You and I can look at empirical evidence, and see how God has worked throughout the history of the church, and know that the bible is the centerpiece of God's plan to grow His church. Jesus' last message to the apostles, before ascending, was to go and spread the message and bring people into the church. Missionaries are doing that as I speak, taking bibles to all nations, and teaching God's word out of it. Many of them are risking their lives, as bibles will get you killed in many countries. If it were possible to spread the word efficiently without bibles, they would have found it.

VW hates the bible. He hates it because time and time again it has shown him to be in error. This is a real problem for VW. As a normal person, who may receive revelations from Holy Spirit at times, and at other times, still be in error, this is OK. But for someone claiming to hold the office of prophet, and speaking FOR God with supposed authority, this is a dead giveaway that he is no prophet, or worse, a false one. The latter one is worse, for it implies a motive for giving false information, and therefore a direct working against God.

You will not find in the bible anywhere an instance of a prophet of God speaking against the bible (God's word), as VW has done. No true prophet of God will speak against God's word as VW has done.

Now, back to common sense. Why would God give us access to the Holy Spirit, if He intended us to listen to prophets? Why should I seek out prophets, and test them, when I have Holy Spirit available, whom I know to be true?

True disciples of God are out there declaring Christ crucified! VW is declaring "Look at me, a prophet of God!

Red33 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

You discredit the scriptures to such a degree, that you do not even deem them worthy of being interpreted. You scoff at the verbal plenary inspiration of the scriptures. You mock the very premise of rightly dividing the word of truth and do the same to any believer that studies the word and doctrine to show themself approved as a workman that needeth not be ashamed (2Tim 2:15). YES, YES, YES the written word reveals God. Make no mistake about it, this book that we have been given by God through grace, reveals Christ, the living and true God, who is and was and ever shall be.

BTW - They had the scriptures for those 16-1,700 years but they were not compilated and arranged in the order that God wanted to present them. But now we have it and as a result more people have come to know Jesus Christ and Him crucified and have been edified and built up by every word and doctrine of God. Is the Bible God's complete work, YES! Are the scriptures we have inspired of God, YES! Is there anything that needs to be added to them, NO! Will any of God's inspired word in the scriptures we have been given ever pass away, NO! Should we be thankful and worship God for the scriptures we have been given, YES!.

You want to go back to the early church, go right ahead, but I don't, and this is why? There is a message in their to for LBG.

Jn 20:24-31
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. (you can't be anymore God than that)
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

In actual fact, I have never discredited scripture.

No one said anything about going back, that is your own deception which will not allow you to see that all I have ever said, and all that I will ever say, is to come to God to know Him.

You believe that you know God because you have read the bible. The devil has read the bible, I guess that he knows God also.

It seems strange to me that you feel that you must defend scripture. I have not felt this way in a long time. It belongs to God, and He does not even need to defend His word.

It seems to me that you believe that our faith is the bible, and that defending the faith means defending the bible. I do not believe this. It is obvious that you do.

Again, I will make the appeal, that we all come to Christ in humility and love, seeking to know Him, and the fellowship of His sufferings. And maybe, if He allows, that we meet the Father in the holy place.

In Christ, I ask you to please stop lying about what I have said.

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

And many of those people were led astray by "spirit filled preachers", because they did not have God's word. Just as many would be led astray by you, if not for the bible. The Catholic church, like you, didn't like bibles either. They kept them away from the masses, so that they could usurp the authority contained in God's word for themselves.

That is why you hate the bible. It has the authority of God, and you have none.

By the way, since you seem to know nothing of history, In the first century, Jesus' authority on earth was given to the apostles, not to the prophets. In fact, Paul had difficulties with so called prophets, who in some cases opposed him. The bible was written during the lifetime of the apostles, and contains the words of God, which they had been preaching. After their deaths, the authority of God was passed to His written word, thus the bible. The bible is authoritative, you are not.

Is it idolatry to recognize the authority of the bible because it contains the words of God?

Satan hates the bible, as it seems you do as well.

AnandaHya · Apr 15, 2011

red and superdave: God bless you both but you are forgetting what JESUS told His disciples to do when they questioned Him concerning the Pharisees and scribes.

Remember God wants ALL His children to walk in LOVE and FORGIVENESS and MERCY. Remembereveryone makes mistakes and your words are NOT spoken with LOVE FOR VW. Maybe for love of others reading this strands so they won't be "mislead" but YOU do not lead them any more than VW does. The HOLY SPIRIT DOES. therefore if you think VW is a false prophet and not a just a mistaken child of GOD as I do (His spiritual is faith, right now it blind but let GOD deal with it ok? VW please READ YOUR BIBLE).

Red and superdave PLEASE LISTEN to GOD"S advice on the subject from the HOLY BIBLE:

Matthew 15:11-14 (New King James Version)

11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

so is God's word enough for you to cease tormenting the poor man? He is a child of God. Let GOD deal with him and if you feel moved SPEAK OUT OF LOVE.

thank you, now to play with my kids

VW, just a song to remember God loves YOU. do not think that just because you are not given the gift of prophecy you are worthless. you can be a great encouragement to strengthen others faith.

YouTube - East to West by Casting Crowns

God knows who YOU are: YOU ARE HIS! Don't let anyone, any thought or any thing make you forget it OK?

YouTube - Who Am I - Casting Crowns

AnandaHya · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

VW. remember what God told us to do: bless those who curse us for God has told us "Vengeance is mine"
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just let it go brother. just let it go. Keep your shield of Faith strong and ENCOURAGE others to do the same and assure them of God's love and JUSTICE

But remember God's MERCY and LOVE first and foremost. mercy is for the undeserving

Peace of the Lord be with the Children of God.

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

From a previous VW posting:

It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?

Prophecy is not scripture.

Did you not write the above? Who is lying? If you like, I can go back over your posts and find literally dozens of references that you have written against God's word. Would you like me to do that?

VW · Apr 15, 2011

Very strange. Because I do not believe that the bible is God, I hate the bible?

This is very strange indeed. If I hated it so much, then why would I quote it over and over again, seeking to engender in others the faith to draw near to God? And why would I do such a thing if all I had was hate, and deception? It seems to me that if one draws near to God, then deception would be revealed.

The truth is that you are afraid to enter into His presence, as you should be. His presence terrifies me, because of His majesty. But His love, that is worth any cost to have.

You say that you believe in God, because you believe the bible. But are you willing to come to Christ, to actually get to know Him, to hear His voice?

I will state simply for you this, and then you can continue to lie all you want to;

Jesus Christ is Lord of all, to the glory of the Father.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

superdave5221 said:

Where in the above did I say that the bible is not scripture?

Who was it that put what we call the bible together? And do you suppose that in this bible is every word spoken by God?

I have never spoken against God's word, nor against the bible. I have spoken against our belief that the bible is God.

Stop lying.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

AnandaHya said:

I am sorry sister, this is important, because these men are leading others into destruction, knowingly.

Besides, why would it matter, I believe that God called me as a prophet, but not according to you? So, I am just another deceived fool who is spouting nonsense.

My heart breaks at the blindness of God's people.

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

If the bible was canonized by man, then it is not scripture. You should know this. If man canonized the bible, then man has authority over it. The bible was divinely inspired, and therefore canonized by God. Canonize means to sanction, or give authority to. The bible was accepted by the church as authoritative long before any church councils "canonized" it. You said, the bible was not canonized by God. Stop playing word games.

You ask the same questions over and over that have been already answered.

Do you also speak against the belief that people can sprout wings and fly? I have heard just as many people in here claim that, as I have heard claim the bible to be God. You speak very deceptively, and you do fool some. But that is to your own undoing.

AnandaHya · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

IF GOD CALLED YOU A PROPHET YOU WOULD KNOW WHERE THIS CONVERSATION IS LEADING!

fine devour each other with your cutting words. I leave YOU ALL IN the hands of GOD, MAY HE BE MERCIFUL ON YOUR SOULS.

YOU LACK OF TRUST AND FAITH IN GOD AND HIS ABILITY TO TOUCH MINDS AND HEARTS AND LEAD HIS PEOPLE AND TOUCH THEIR HEARTS AND SOULS AND KEEP THEM FROM FALSE TEACHERS IS APPALLING AND YOU CAN ALL CONTINUE IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS SELF JUSTIFICATION.

i will go pray with the children and help in what ever way God leads me to today. I wash my hands of this whole mess and again pray that God has mercy.

YOU do not say you are a prophet GOD and HIS HOLY SPIRIT should testify it is so. and you don't need to JUSTIFY yourself. you need to LET GOD DO IT.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

AnandaHya said:

IF GOD CALLED YOU A PROPHET YOU WOULD KNOW WHERE THIS CONVERSATION IS LEADING!

fine devour each other with your cutting words. I leave YOU ALL IN the hands of GOD, MAY HE BE MERCIFUL ON YOUR SOULS.

YOU LACK OF TRUST AND FAITH IN GOD AND HIS ABILITY TO TOUCH MINDS AND HEARTS AND LEAD HIS PEOPLE AND TOUCH THEIR HEARTS AND SOULS AND KEEP THEM FROM FALSE TEACHERS IS APPALLING AND YOU CAN ALL CONTINUE IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS SELF JUSTIFICATION.

i will go pray with the children and help in what ever way God leads me to today. I wash my hands of this whole mess and again pray that God has mercy.

YOU do not say you are a prophet GOD and HIS HOLY SPIRIT should testify it is so. and you don't need to JUSTIFY yourself. you need to LET GOD DO IT.

I do know where it is leading, and that makes me ever sadder.

Thanks for your help.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

superdave5221 said:

Canonized simply means assembled. Those men who were members of that council spent years arguing about which letter would be included, and which version of the writings of God from the Jews would be used, and which would not be included, for whatever reason. They have absolutely nothing to do with the veracity of God's word! God's word stands because He spoke it, and for no other reason.

journey41 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

[/QUOTE]I finally understand what you have been saying for so long. We have to submit fully. Practise what we preach. Be not hypocrites. Use what he gave us. Knowledge of the scriptures alone doesn't save, or the sinners prayer, but he who does the fathers will and worships in spirit and in truth. The spirit speaks to us in everything we do now. It's in us. We dont always walk around with a bible in our hands, as the word is in us & we know his will & how we ought to behave and keep fighting our spirital wars and conquering the flesh.
God bless you VW.

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

So, you don't believe the bible to be divinely inspired?

You won't answer this one will you? It requires only a yes or no.

VW · Apr 15, 2011

journey41 said:

[/QUOTE]I finally understand what you have been saying for so long. We have to submit fully. Practise what we preach. Be not hypocrites. Use what he gave us. Knowledge of the scriptures alone doesn't save, or the sinners prayer, but he who does the fathers will and worships in spirit and in truth. The spirit speaks to us in everything we do now. It's in us. We dont always walk around with a bible in our hands, as the word is in us & we know his will & how we ought to behave and keep fighting our spirital wars and conquering the flesh.
God bless you VW.

Yes!

Thank you Jesus, praise You Father.

In His love,

superdave5221 · Apr 15, 2011

Ananda, I know what you are attempting to do, and it is admirable. However, I have followed VW for over a year now, and for the most part, I have let him ramble and claim to be a prophet. It is when he has attacked the bible that I have jumped into the fray.

You will see that he will not answer the question. For he has already indicated that he does not believe the bible to be divinely inspired.

As Christians, the only thing that we can depend on, as a standard in which to measure our beliefs, is the written word of God. If that word is not divinely inspired, then it has no authority. If it has no authority, then we cannot trust it. At this point, we are then blown around on the seas of doctrine, not knowing what to believe. We must then rely on people like VW, who feels that HIS words are divinely inspired. And if another so called prophet says something else, what then?

Do you see how important this issue is?

VW · Apr 15, 2011

superdave5221 said:

Yes!

I don't know how many times I have said that the bible is divinely inspired. I know that it is the written word of God

So, what question am I not answering?

paulnsilas · Apr 15, 2011

VW said:

The Holy Spirit testifies TO ME this is a LIE.

God is pleased WITH JESUS CHRIST.

ALL who love Jesus Christ AND HIS WORD ARE LOVED.

Any who claim they love "God" yet denegrate his Word do not know God.

Any who continue to condemn those Christ has already redeemed do not know God.

VW said:

ANOTHER LIE. from HELL.

every TRUE Christian knows they carry the body of death (the old man) with them until they themselves DIE and are free from the flesh forever.

This aberrant teaching comes with the Pentecostal perfectionist DOCTRINES - TOTAL HERESY.

This "prophet" does NOT know how God justifies the ungodly, and how sanctification is worked in every believer.

This "prophet" has fallen into the same dry cistern they ALL fall into: LAW. SELF-JUSTIFICATION. self-righteousness.

And they will be judged by THE LAW.

these new Pharisees SOUND so "christian". but they are so far from what Christ has already accomplished it is not surprising they live in TERROR and spread that fear of destruction and condemnation around.

DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM.

VW said:

You have NO idea what eternal life is: that life is IN THE SON
And He gives it to ALL the Father draws to Him.

He is THE DOOR. When the sheep enter INTO Him, they are SAVED, and can go in and out and find pasture.

We HAVE BEEN reconciled to God through Jesus Christ - BY WHAT HE DID. NOT WHAT YOU DO.

They (who receive eternal life), do so by FAITH, and they HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED IT.
They have received the down payment of the Holy Spirit.

But you don't know what that is.

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"AND YE SHALL BE AS GODS......"

Do not listen to this spirit.

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