CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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No, but they put their faith in God that he can heal them, because they are his children. And they let God the response in the knowledge that God knows what they need. And know also what is for them the best.
Jesus said it is possible by faith (Mark9:23). Faith is believing Christ for healing and not simply because knowing He does best. In every circumstance Jesus expected faith.
 

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Jesus said it is possible by faith (Mark9:23). Faith is believing Christ for healing and not simply because knowing He does best. In every circumstance Jesus expected faith.
Faith is given from God. But what you realy want to say?
To know that HE is doing the best, even I cant see it, sometimes,is faith.
 

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do Christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
You may post your opinion.
God heals today because HE is a God that heals. healing is apart of HIS nature described in the word of God. Healing is part of our body God made man with the ability to heal in his body. You break your arm you set it it will heal.
 
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When paul could no longer heal why did he put them on medicines rather than teach faith in Christ's blood?
Instead of cryiticising the charismatics why not teach about faith?
Scripture says he did not heal them. He put Timothy on medicine.
 

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Jesus said it is possible by faith (Mark9:23). Faith is believing Christ for healing and not simply because knowing He does best. In every circumstance Jesus expected faith.
Why then Paul gave adwise Timothy to drink wine as medicine, because of his stomach problems , ore why he left other co-workers si back sick, instand of teach them to have the right faith?
Also, in what we should Trust? In Jesus ore in his blond?
 

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God heals both sinners and saints. Unsaved folks get healing every single day. Saved folks go without healing and die every single day. Both pray to God for healing when they are sick and hurting.

There is no simple answer as to why some are healed and why some continue to suffer. For the saint to suffer or to be healed is for the glory of God. For the sinner it could be God calling them to Christ or using them to demonstrate the awful consequences of sin.

At the end of the day the saint has hope and a promise of joy unspeakable. The sinner has only condemnation for their sin. God is glorified in both and all cases.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
You may post your opinion.
Churches who preach that signs and wonders still hold today overwhelmingly used evidence from the 4 gospels and early Acts.

They often do not mention that those healings were part of the gospel of the kingdom. When the physical kingdom is set up at Jerusalem, no one is supposed to be sick. Hence Jesus healed to tell the Jews that it was at hand.

So the question you should ask is, "Do we still preach to the Jews to repent for the kingdom is at hand?" If your answer is yes, then go ahead and call forth those signs.

But if those signs are not seen today, then perhaps another set of good news is to be preached today. That is 1 Cor 15:1-4.
 
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Faith is given from God. But what you realy want to say?
To know that HE is doing the best, even I cant see it, sometimes,is faith.
Faith is given by God doesn't mean sitting back and not believing God for healing claiming christian life only means tribulations.
 
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Churches who preach that signs and wonders still hold today overwhelmingly used evidence from the 4 gospels and early Acts.

They often do not mention that those healings were part of the gospel of the kingdom. When the physical kingdom is set up at Jerusalem, no one is supposed to be sick. Hence Jesus healed to tell the Jews that it was at hand.

So the question you should ask is, "Do we still preach to the Jews to repent for the kingdom is at hand?" If your answer is yes, then go ahead and call forth those signs.

But if those signs are not seen today, then perhaps another set of good news is to be preached today. That is 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Are "signs and wonders" the same as "faith in Christ for healing"? Hadn't you fall sick & healed, how?
 
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God heals both sinners and saints. Unsaved folks get healing every single day. Saved folks go without healing and die every single day. Both pray to God for healing when they are sick and hurting.

There is no simple answer as to why some are healed and why some continue to suffer. For the saint to suffer or to be healed is for the glory of God. For the sinner it could be God calling them to Christ or using them to demonstrate the awful consequences of sin.

At the end of the day the saint has hope and a promise of joy unspeakable. The sinner has only condemnation for their sin. God is glorified in both and all cases.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Mark 9:21 Jesus asked the boy’s father, “How long has he been like this?” “From childhood,” he answered.

9:22 “It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.”

9:23 “ ‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”

9:24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”

Jesus expected faith if one desires healing. Don't you desire healing? Do you desire to remain sick and die?
 
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Why then Paul gave adwise Timothy to drink wine as medicine, because of his stomach problems , ore why he left other co-workers si back sick, instand of teach them to have the right faith?
Also, in what we should Trust? In Jesus ore in his blond?
Do you need healing or do you desire to remain sick & die?
 
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God heals today because HE is a God that heals. healing is apart of HIS nature described in the word of God. Healing is part of our body God made man with the ability to heal in his body. You break your arm you set it it will heal.
So why did Jesus expect faith to be healed from those who came to Him for healing?
 
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God heals today because HE is a God that heals. healing is apart of HIS nature described in the word of God. Healing is part of our body God made man with the ability to heal in his body. You break your arm you set it it will heal.
So why did Jesus expect faith to be healed from those who came to Him for healing?
 
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Are "signs and wonders" the same as "faith in Christ for healing"? Hadn't you fall sick & healed, how?
Our bodies were designed by God to self heal.

When I refer to healing miracles, what I mean are supernatural process that either accelerate that process or create new limbs etc, in a way that we could only attribute to divine intervention.

The current covid-19 is a good example. Christians who got covid-19 were largely healed thru the "self healing process of our bodies". Its the same process whether or not you believe in Jesus.
 

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Faith is given by God doesn't mean sitting back and not believing God for healing claiming christian life only means tribulations.
There is no promisse given from God to us of an sickfree, wealthy and healthy life here on earth now. But Jesus promissed his followers to be persecutet, which includes suffering.
To be sick has nothing to do with lack of faith.
 

wolfwint

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Do you need healing or do you desire to remain sick & die?
Thats no answer to my question. Your idea is not taught in the bible.
Btw, all who where healed in the NT died later. And the very most because of any other desease. As today, too.
Jesus healed the people not because of
getting them sickfree, but for to proof that HE is the promissed messajah and the son of God.
We will be sickfree in heaven. This is prommissed to us!
If I would be sick, I would ask the Lord to heal me. But I would accept if I would remain sick, because I Trust my father that HE knows what is the best for me.
 
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Our bodies were designed by God to self heal.

When I refer to healing miracles, what I mean are supernatural process that either accelerate that process or create new limbs etc, in a way that we could only attribute to divine intervention.

The current covid-19 is a good example. Christians who got covid-19 were largely healed thru the "self healing process of our bodies". Its the same process whether or not you believe in Jesus.
So you don't believe God heals through faith in Christ's work on the cross?
 
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Thats no answer to my question. Your idea is not taught in the bible.
Btw, all who where healed in the NT died later. And the very most because of any other desease. As today, too.
Jesus healed the people not because of
getting them sickfree, but for to proof that HE is the promissed messajah and the son of God.
We will be sickfree in heaven. This is prommissed to us!
If I would be sick, I would ask the Lord to heal me. But I would accept if I would remain sick, because I Trust my father that HE knows what is the best for me.
Mathew 8:16: "When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses".

If it was the Father's will to keep you in sickness, why would He send His Son to take our infirmities, and bear our sicknesses?
 
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Gonna post my opinion with or without your approval......... :) This IS a public forum, soooooo

YES
God STILL HEALS TODAY!

I have witnessed AND EXPERIENCED DIVINE HEALING.......

God IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMORROW........... His Promise does not EXPIRE! Now, mans faith in God seems to rise and fall, but don't blame that on God.

PR can you say how your healing came about??
 
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So you don't believe God heals through faith in Christ's work on the cross?
Because of Christ on the cross, it is always God's will for you to be well.

However, it does not mean you can expect healing to happen immediately like what happened in the 4 gospels and Acts. The final healing can sometimes come only at the redemption of our earthly bodies, to the one Christ had after he resurrected.