The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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Nope. He had already ascended once. Then He returned to show himself to the disciples.

John 20
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
How does this say what you claim?
 

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How does this say what you claim?
It stayed very plainly that the Lord ascended shortly after His resurrection. Later that same day, He showed Himself to His disciples. Some forty days later He would ascend back to Heaven and be seated at the right hand of the Father.
 
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It stayed very plainly that the Lord ascended shortly after His resurrection. Later that same day, He showed Himself to His disciples. Some forty days later He would ascend back to Heaven and be seated at the right hand of the Father.
God is not a man.

We must be careful how we hear not what do others say?

He as the Son of God(the Holy Spirit) ascended back as he came not a man .God remains a eternal spirit without mother of father beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

No matter which way it is twisted the flesh of Christ. He informs us it profited for nothing, zero, nada .

Why? The father of lies would have others believe it did profit for something. Eye pleasing enough to produce false pride.

It was a one time promised demonstration of a previous spiritual unseen work. (The lamb of God slain from before)

The Father not seen working in and with the corrupted flesh of the Son seen to to his good pleasure..

The three days in the heart of corruption (suffering) called heart of the earth a living hell. The Son would cry out as a "living sacrifice". God does not accept dead sacrifices.

The father continued to strengthen him to finish the display to the world .Just as he strengthened Jonas also sufferings a living sufferings, called hell. He also finished the living work sufferings the pangs of hell the father gave him to so. The two parables are meant to be compared to each other. The last sign as a wonder. .No more fleshly demonstrations of the unseen work of the father. Some did know him after the flesh we know Christ no more in that way.

God is not a man.

A promised sign of the finished work that was completed before the foundation of the world. The demonstration is over.

No reruns one demonstration

We simply do not seek after what the eyes see. The Lust of the flesh and of the eyes is for those who have no faith.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

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God is not a man.
So you keep saying.

Was Jesus a man?

Is Jesus God?

Please simply answer "Yes" or "No" to each question. No other commentary is needed.
 

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Many are Premillennialist who are deceived but can see the kingdom when pointed out. You must not know any Amillennialists who are born again and can see the kingdom. The Historic Church condemned Premillennialism as heresy.
You dont see this kingdom. Otherwise you could tell me exactly how it lookslike.
Is ot not that you deceive yourself?
 
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You dont see this kingdom. Otherwise you could tell me exactly how it lookslike.
Is ot not that you deceive yourself?
This might get you started if you are born again. The key is in Jesus' description of the Kingdom as spiritual only. And a present reality when he preached it. This is the gospel of the kingdom all have abandoned today, preaching another gospel.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
 

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This might get you started if you are born again. The key is in Jesus' description of the Kingdom as spiritual only. And a present reality when he preached it. This is the gospel of the kingdom all have abandoned today, preaching another gospel.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
Thats change nothing to the fact that you will sell me what you dont know by yourself.
If you tell me that you can see a Spiritual kingdom,but cant describe it, then this are only empty words.
The kingdom will come, so like as Jesus will come to establish it in this world, so that everybody will recognice it. No doubt. But this will be in Future.
What says John in his First Letter 3,2.? We will know how Jesus is and what we are, when he comes. Till this we have to wait. And everything else is human speculation. Even about the kingdom.
 

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Yes, we still have corrupted bodies because of the blood. Blood represents sin and what relates us back to the first Adam. Jesus has a resurrected body that has flesh and bone but no blood. It is called an uncorrupted, immortal, spiritual body. We shall bear the image of the heavenly.
Blood represents life. We must all be washed in the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb. Have you forgotten the meaning of Passover? The Cup of Communion?
 

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Blood represents life. We must all be washed in the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb. Have you forgotten the meaning of Passover? The Cup of Communion?
The blood of Christ represents life because He knew no sin. Our bodies are corrupt, mortal because of sin. The shedding of blood represents getting rid of the sin that’s in your flesh.
 

John146

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This might get you started if you are born again. The key is in Jesus' description of the Kingdom as spiritual only. And a present reality when he preached it. This is the gospel of the kingdom all have abandoned today, preaching another gospel.
Is the gospel of Jesus Christ, Paul’s gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins...is this another gospel? Because it’s not preached during the ministry of Jesus, especially by His disciples. They had no clue of Paul’s gospel before the cross.
 

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The blood of Christ represents life because He knew no sin. Our bodies are corrupt, mortal because of sin. The shedding of blood represents getting rid of the sin that’s in your flesh.
The shedding of blood represents the giving of life.
 
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Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When did that happen in the past where everybody only acknowledged Jesus, and no other religious figure, or god.

And the heathen went each year to Jerusalem, and worship the LORD.

And Jesus ruled with a rod of iron over the nations, which means it will be His way and no other way.

And the animals and animals did not hurt each other, and they were plant eaters, and the animals and people did not fear each other, and people and people did not fight with each other.

And it has to be on earth for the Bible says the LORD shall be king over all the earth, and talks of the heathen worshipping Jesus, but there is no heathens in heaven with the saints.

And why would Jesus be ruling for 1000 years when He ascended to heaven 2000 years ago, and is King of kings, and Lord of lords, for He would be ruling the 2000 years not only 1000 years.

Jesus said until heaven and earth pass away that no tittle or jot shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled.

And the law has to be fulfilled on earth, which Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth for He came as humble servant, so in the millennial reign on earth He will fulfill that role and then heaven and earth shall pass away.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The resurrection of the saints has not happened yet, for there is saints on earth, and when the resurrection happens there will not be saints on earth.

When Jesus comes back all the saints are with Him, and He defeats the world.

There is only 2 resurrections, one of the saints, and one of the dead.

The Bible says blessed and holy is the person that has part in the first resurrection, and they will rule and reign will Christ for a 1000 years.

The resurrection has to take place first before the saints will rule and reign with Jesus, not before the resurrection.

When the resurrection happens then the saints will rule with Jesus for 1000 years.
 

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This might get you started if you are born again. The key is in Jesus' description of the Kingdom as spiritual only.
How many times do you have to be told that UNTIL THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, the Kingdom of God is invisible and spiritual? But that is not the end of the story.

The following passages which you have quoted must be taken in context and interpreted correctly (which I have done).

1. CHRIST DID NOT COME TO ESTABLISH HIS VISIBLE KINGDOM ON EARTH AT HIS FIRST COMING
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)


2. THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST IS ALSO THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)


3. THOSE WHO OBEY THE GOSPEL ENTER THE KINGDOM THROUGH THE NEW BIRTH
When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)


4. AT PRESENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INTERNAL AND INVISIBLE
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)
“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)


5. THE TRANSFIGURATION SHOWED HOW CHRIST WOULD BE GLORIOUS IN HIS FUTURE KINGDOM [Note: these words were spoken just before the transfiguration, a preview of the appearance of Christ in His eternal Kingdom]
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

6. THE SAINTS WILL ENTER THE FUTURE KINGDOM IN INCORRUPTIBLE BODIES
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

THE FUTURE VISIBLE ETERNAL KINGDOM ON EARTH IS GUARANTEED BY GOD
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900
 

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Yes, the shedding of blood. Getting rid of it.
Jesus has GIVEN it, His Blood, so that we might receive it and thereby receive everlasting life. This is the Doctrine of Atonement, the Truth, and the only Way. Receive it today, else perish eternally.
 
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How many times do you have to be told that UNTIL THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, the Kingdom of God is invisible and spiritual? But that is not the end of the story.

The following passages which you have quoted must be taken in context and interpreted correctly (which I have done).

1. CHRIST DID NOT COME TO ESTABLISH HIS VISIBLE KINGDOM ON EARTH AT HIS FIRST COMING
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)


2. THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST IS ALSO THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)


3. THOSE WHO OBEY THE GOSPEL ENTER THE KINGDOM THROUGH THE NEW BIRTH
When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)


4. AT PRESENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INTERNAL AND INVISIBLE
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)
“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)


5. THE TRANSFIGURATION SHOWED HOW CHRIST WOULD BE GLORIOUS IN HIS FUTURE KINGDOM [Note: these words were spoken just before the transfiguration, a preview of the appearance of Christ in His eternal Kingdom]
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

6. THE SAINTS WILL ENTER THE FUTURE KINGDOM IN INCORRUPTIBLE BODIES
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

THE FUTURE VISIBLE ETERNAL KINGDOM ON EARTH IS GUARANTEED BY GOD
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900
Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
 
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Is the gospel of Jesus Christ, Paul’s gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins...is this another gospel? Because it’s not preached during the ministry of Jesus, especially by His disciples. They had no clue of Paul’s gospel before the cross.
It's part of the gospel you reject. Paul preached the same Kingdom Jesus preached.
 
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Thats change nothing to the fact that you will sell me what you dont know by yourself.
If you tell me that you can see a Spiritual kingdom,but cant describe it, then this are only empty words.
The kingdom will come, so like as Jesus will come to establish it in this world, so that everybody will recognice it. No doubt. But this will be in Future.
What says John in his First Letter 3,2.? We will know how Jesus is and what we are, when he comes. Till this we have to wait. And everything else is human speculation. Even about the kingdom.
I can describe very detailed views if you shelve your arguing. And try to learn the Historic Christian view.
 

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Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
You simply ignored my post, didn't you? That's called *WILFUL BLINDNESS*.
Here is what I said:
AT PRESENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INTERNAL AND INVISIBLE

"Internal and invisible" means spiritual. But you have no clue about the rest of the story.
 

John146

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It's part of the gospel you reject. Paul preached the same Kingdom Jesus preached.
Post some scriptures where the disciples, before the cross, preached the gospel of salvation. Thanks.