Explain, "The unpardonable sin".

[p_rehbein]

(This sin has nothing to do with unbelief, Jesus himself, God the Father, or personal sins of the flesh).

Scripture defines it for us, so why not go with Scriptures definition?

Matthew, Chapter 12:

31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[oldethennew]

HEB. 6:4.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of The Heavenly Gift,
and were made partakers of The Holy Ghost,
5.
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6.
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh,
and put Him to an open shame.

 

[Adstar]

(This sin has nothing to do with unbelief, Jesus himself, God the Father, or personal sins of the flesh).

The unpardonable sin is revealed by Jesus in the Bible very clearly.. It is declaring the Holy Spirit to be an evil spirit.. The scribes from Jerusalem did this when they declared that Jesus did His miracles by the power of the king of the demons, Beelzebub..

 

[acts5_29]

Here is how I interpret this about the unpardonable sin:

It's like when you say, "Insult me, and it will just roll off my thick skin. Your words mean nothing to me. But insult my mom, and you will be losing some teeth."

Jesus is basically saying that. "Sin against me, and I'll forgive that. But sin against the Holy Spirit, and I won't."

I don't think it means that just one sin and you go to Hell. I believe the Holy Spirit can intercede on your behalf, and God will forgive you, at the Holy Spirit's request. But still, sinning against the Holy Spirit is a VERY BAD idea, when guess who it is you will need to intercede for you when judgement rolls in.

To take comfort, Jesus did the same thing for the Roman soldiers: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Jesus interceded. So I wouldn't stay awake at night wondering whether you sinned against the Holy Spirit. If you are wondering about it, then chances are you didn't know either, and the Holy Spirit is interceding for you, too.

 

[Benadam]

The people Jesus warned were His people. God revealed Himself fully to them. God came down from heaven as one of us and dwelt among His own.
If they know Him fully and reject Him still, what more can He do? It's unpardonable because its a sin committed in a state in which change is no longer possible.

 

[tantalon]

(Unbelief is not unpardonable, if still alive on planet Earth). I asked this question regarding the unpardonable sin for the purpose of discovering if any of the discussion would read the WORDS in the sentence or just "skim read" the sentence. It appeared nobody read or understood the wording. For example: Who is speaking? What is he speaking about? who is he speaking to? In this case the text is saying: whoever "SPEAKS against the Holy Spirit, has never forgiveness". Matthew 12: 32. An example is given in Mark 3: 30. Another point is the word blaspheme. Look up blaspheme in Webster's dictionary. The unpardonable sin is something SAID, disrespectfully towards the person, or character of the HOLY Spirit of God.

 

[CS1]

Matthew 12: 32. Whosoever, means whosoever, does it not? Read what the scripture says, not what you think it says.

who are you speaking to?

 

[CS1]

(Unbelief is not unpardonable, if still alive on planet Earth). I asked this question regarding the unpardonable sin for the purpose of discovering if any of the discussion would read the WORDS in the sentence or just "skim read" the sentence. It appeared nobody read or understood the wording. For example: Who is speaking? What is he speaking about? who is he speaking to? In this case the text is saying: whoever "SPEAKS against the Holy Spirit, has never forgiveness". Matthew 12: 32. An example is given in Mark 3: 30. Another point is the word blaspheme. Look up blaspheme in Webster's dictionary. The unpardonable sin is something SAID, disrespectfully towards the person, or character of the HOLY Spirit of God.

the Webster dictionary does not explain "blaspheme" in context to Matthew 12

 

[tantalon]

Webster's dictionary says The word blaspheme is broken down to it's meaningful parts thus : The first part that makes up the word is "blapsis", or to speak injurious, or with irreverence in it's content. The second part of the word and it's meaning is "phemi" meaning to speak out words impiously, and in this context directed to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Guojing]

(This sin has nothing to do with unbelief, Jesus himself, God the Father, or personal sins of the flesh).

Stephen explained it well in Acts. It was a sin that could only be committed by national Israel under the Gospel of the Kingdom

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

 

[garee]

Webster's dictionary says The word blaspheme is broken down to it's meaningful parts thus : The first part that makes up the word is "blapsis", or to speak injurious, or with irreverence in it's content. The second part of the word and it's meaning is "phemi" meaning to speak out words impiously, and in this context directed to the Holy Spirit.

The Bible compares violating the first commandment; "thou shall have no gods before me" as blasphemy .Which is having gods as corrupted men seen in place of the faith. The unseen Holy Spirit who is not a man. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man in Mathew 16 . That 33 year window closed when Jesus left.

Blasphemy is violating the first commandment. or attributing the work of one to another like plagiarism. robing the authors glory. Its then that Satan can hide behind the form of men as the man of sin as he did behind a creature in the garden .

In Mathew 16 the Lord not seen rebuked the father of lies . Our father in heaven said; Get behind me, as the one true source of faith not Peter seen of the corrupted dying flesh.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Satan never comes up as one god he always as appears as legion.

Note... (My added opinion) to show the influence of the many.

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? (Singular) And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we (plural) are many.

Many gods came before him each time . Many or a legion antichrists (plural) That were there at the time of the Son of man .

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular, Satan unseen spirit ) shall come, even now are there many antichrists (Plural, Legion corrupted flesh); whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Again Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy. Therefore he did no go out from us. The Lord drew him back as a comforting teacher.

 

[Dino246]

The Bible compares violating the first commandment; "thou shall have no gods before me" as blasphemy .Which is having gods as corrupted men seen in place of the faith. The unseen Holy Spirit who is not a man.

Aside from your poor English, you have made a basic error here: you have added words to the commandment so that you understand it. The problem is that the words are not there, so you have ended with misunderstanding. There really are spiritual entities that are not God, not "angels", and not humans.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man in Mathew 16 .

The Bible does not call Peter's statement "blasphemy"... at all.

Blasphemy is violating the first commandment. or attributing the work of one to another like plagiarism. robing the authors glory. Its then that Satan can hide behind the form of men as the man of sin as he did behind a creature in the garden .

The Bible doesn't tell us that Satan "hid behind a creature in the garden". Stop adding to Scripture!

In Mathew 16 the Lord not seen rebuked the father of lies . Our father in heaven said; Get behind me, as the one true source of faith not Peter seen of the corrupted dying flesh.

No, that is not correct. Jesus, the Lord who was seen, rebuked Peter.

Satan never comes up as one god he always as appears as legion.

That's not in Scripture anywhere. He appeared as one entity in the garden and at the temptation of Christ.

Note... (My added opinion) to show the influence of the many.

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? (Singular) And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we (plural) are many.

Many gods came before him each time . Many or a legion antichrists (plural) That were there at the time of the Son of man .

That was one time. It is poor hermeneutics to build a doctrine on a single incident.

Again Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy. Therefore he did no go out from us. The Lord drew him back as a comforting teacher.

Again, the Bible does not call Peter's statement "blasphemy"... at all. So you shouldn't either.

 

[FlyingDove]

Webster's dictionary says The word blaspheme is broken down to it's meaningful parts thus : The first part that makes up the word is "blapsis", or to speak injurious, or with irreverence in it's content. The second part of the word and it's meaning is "phemi" meaning to speak out words impiously, and in this context directed to the Holy Spirit.

Webster's a great English dictionary. I think bible dictionary's are a better source for scripture.

Matt 12:
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
(NOTE: The Pharisees claim Jesus healing power is done thru the prince of the devils/satan)

28 Jesus say's; if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
(NOTE: Jesus tells them its the Spirit of God, NOT SATAN, at work. It's right here they REJECTED God's Holy Spirit, their promised Messiah & temporarily lost out on His 1000 yr kingdom reign)

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(NOTE: REJECTING the work of the Holy Spirit equates to rejecting God. Rejecting God is the unpardonable sin.)

Gen chap 24:
Abraham (shadow of the Father) sends his best servant (shadow of the Holy Spirit) to find a bride for Isaac (shadow of Christ).

Gen 24:58: And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go.
(NOTE: Key point here - Rebekah has a choice - and agrees/says YES to marry Isaac)

Jn 12:32 Jesus said; if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw "all" men unto me.
(NOTE: The Father has sent the Promise/Holy Spirit to draw/offer redemption ALL to who will say YES to the Son!)

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God that brings salvation. Except or Reject His offer)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Anyone that places their belief in Christ's sin payment & resurrection, WILL NOT be CONDEMNED. Anyone that REJECTS & remains in UNBELIEF is & will be CONDEMNED)

"REJECTION/ UNBELIEF" at life's end (ALL will be drawn) is the only UNPARDONABLE sin.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

My hunch is that it's when you say the work of the Holy Spirit is the work of demons/Satan. Or vice versa.


Right before Jesus talked about the unpardonable sin, the Pharisees were accusing him of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub. At that point, Jesus mentions this sin.


So perhaps the moral of the story is....be very careful what you say is of God and what you say is of Satan/demons. If you don't know the source, don't judge.


Anyway....that's my two cents.

I'm pretty sure the Pharisees knew that Jesus didn't cast out the demons by the power of Satan. So that made their sin unforgivable. The Bible does say somewhere, that sins committed in ignorance will be forgiven but a deliberate sin against God's good work will not.

It's amazing that God will forgive every repentant sinner, including rapists, mass murderers etc. but not this seemingly minor sin in comparison.

 

[Didymous]

many of us here are already very aware of the 'scriptures' which are very specific about what will happen
'after you have received the 'gift' of The Holy Spirit, and then, for some 'un-godly-reason, 'reject it'!!!,
as it is written:
HEB. 6:4.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the Heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5.
And have tasted the good Word of God, and the Powers of the world to come,
6.
If they shall 'fall away', 'to renew them again unto repentance'; seeing they crucify to themselves
The Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open 'shame'.
let's face it brothers and sisters, this is 'the one sin' that we 'cannot 'get away with'!!!
remember, that it is 'conditional', very conditional, we truly have to meet ALL of the criteria
mentioned in the above Scripture...
if some believe 'other-wise', then it is on your plate, and hopefully you will see the error
of your ways...

You left off the next verse.

 

[Didymous]

in Hebrews 6

This part of scripture is often misunderstood. Read the next verse.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Lost people commit blasphemy all of the time but Christ still reaches out to them Because what???? They know not what they are saying. Only the saved can commit the unforgivable sin.

The saved cannot commit the unforgivable sin, because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. The saved still sin everyday, but all of their past present and future sins have already been paid for so they can never lose their salvation.

 

[massorite]

The saved cannot commit the unforgivable sin, because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. The saved still sin everyday, but all of their past present and future sins have already been paid for so they can never lose their salvation.

That is not true. The Holy Spirit never takes over our choice to choose and there is no scripture that says so. We maintain our free will no matter what. Look at Judas, He went out with the 12 and then the 70 and cast out demons and healed to sick and infirm even though he would be the one who would betray Christ. Even after spending 3 years hanging out with Christ.
Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
According to Luke 10:20 the names of the disciples were already written in heaven and that includes Judas
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Judas himself healed to sick and cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ gave them to use to glorify God yet even after being a part of casting out demons and healing the sick by the power of the Holy Spirit, JUDAS STILL CHOSE TO BETRAY CHRIST.
In these last verses 3 verses Christ tell the twelve that their reward can not be lost under the circumstances described by Christ in all of Matthew chapter 10.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Judas was among those twelve but Judas choose to betray Christ even after Christ gave him power by the Holy Spirit to cast out demons and heal the sick. So by the standerds set forth by the above scrptures we never loose the gift of free will and we can choose to turn our backs on Christ even after receiving the Holy Spirit. The name of Judas was already written in heaven before he betrayed Christ and we know his name was removed from heaven after he betrayed Christ.

 

[garee]

Aside from your poor English, you have made a basic error here: you have added words to the commandment so that you understand it. The problem is that the words are not there, so you have ended with misunderstanding. There really are spiritual entities that are not God, not "angels", and not humans.

Hi thanks for the reply.

There really are unseen spiritual entities that are not God, but as gods. That he breathes unseen power of spirit life. . "Lying messengers as false apostles are another kind. True messengers as apostles are sent with the word of our unseen father in heaven .

The Bible does not call Peter's statement "blasphemy"... at all.

That portion with defines blasphemy it violates the first commandment not to have gods before our one God in heaven No gods in the likeness of men . Its why the father forgave Peter and rebuked the spirit of error Satan.

The Son of man of himself had no power to rebuke him . Its why blasphemy against the son of man with Peter was forgiven. That window closed the moment the flesh of Christ disappeared.

He mentions it twice to emphasize no power is attributed to what the eyes see.

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Blasphemy like plagiarism is attributing the unseen things of God, the one author and perfecter giving it over to the things of corrupted mankind seen.

The Bible doesn't tell us that Satan "hid behind a creature in the garden". Stop adding to Scripture!

Then where did the voice come from if not a flesh blood creature? The glory of the unseen Father departed for some reason? Can't serve two masters. The things seen the temporal and the eternal things not seen.

No, that is not correct. Jesus, the Lord who was seen, rebuked Peter.

You forgot to mix faith the unseen with the temporal . We look to that seen the flesh in order to give us the spiritual unseen understanding.

The gospel hid in parables.

The prophet and High priest Jesus spoke the words of the father saying. "Satan get behind me (Christ in us, the unseen authority not behind Peter the corrupted temporal seen (no faith) . No different than the Lord rebuke you in Jude .

The power to rebuke or heal is not after the flesh . Jesus was moved by the father many times rebuked the devil, as it is written again and again establishing the perfect law. Again the power could not be accredited to the flesh .Blasphemy.. Violating the 1st commandment . Not forgivable.

That's not in Scripture anywhere. He appeared as one entity in the garden and at the temptation of Christ.

Yes, the father of many lies (a legion) as kingdoms of this world

That was one time. It is poor hermeneutics to build a doctrine on a single incident.

The gospel. . . single incident?

 

[Dino246]

There really are unseen spiritual entities that are not God, but as gods. That he breathes unseen power of spirit life. . "Lying messengers as false apostles are another kind. True messengers as apostles are sent with the word of our unseen father in heaven .

This is not about human apostles.

That portion with defines blasphemy it violates the first commandment not to have gods before our one God in heaven No gods in the likeness of men . Its why the father forgave Peter and rebuked the spirit of error Satan.

Jesus, not the Father, rebuked Satan. Why is this concept so difficult for you to grasp?

The Son of man of himself had no power to rebuke him .

Support that assertion from Scripture.

Its why blasphemy against the son of man with Peter was forgiven.

Scripture doesn't call it blasphemy, so neither should you.

He mentions it twice to emphasize no power is attributed to what the eyes see.

Where is that concept in Scripture?

Then where did the voice come from if not a flesh blood creature?

The voice came from a spirit being that was visible to Eve.

You forgot to mix faith the unseen with the temporal .

No, I didn't.

The gospel hid in parables.

The gospel is not hidden in parables. It is presented in the plain text of Scripture.

The prophet and High priest Jesus spoke the words of the father saying. "Satan get behind me (Christ in us, the unseen authority not behind Peter the corrupted temporal seen (no faith) . No different than the Lord rebuke you in Jude .

Where in Scripture does it say that "Get behind Me, Satan!" were the words of the Father? Nowhere. You're making things up.

The power to rebuke or heal is not after the flesh .

I didn't say that it was. However, Jesus was God in the flesh.

Yes, the father of many lies (a legion) as kingdoms of this world

You blather on but ignore the correction.

The gospel. . . single incident?

Use your words, Garee... preferably in coherent sentences.