Explain, "The unpardonable sin".

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,730
13,400
113
Not really . The fast is one day set a side that a person can to the good work of getting out the gospel. Sharing his food and sharing the bread of life making their burden lighter . At the time of Christ three kosher meals were used.

In one parable the word sabbath(rest) is replaced with the word week destroying the doctrine of the fast used to represent the gospel .The person in the parable was boasting in pride that he ate only two of the three allowable that represent (manna ) meals , the same one day tithes were paid.

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

The word week destroys the use of the word sabbath . Nine times King James records that damage of changing a non time senititive word rest into week .

Sabbath.... rest. a non time sensitive word . There was not even a Greek word for week at that time. Time week was added or mistranslated

We would have to begin with the ceremonial law regarding the fast the foundation. Why a fast,. How, what did it point to as prophecy?
Once again you have not answered my question, but instead written a bunch of irrelevance.

Where in Scripture is fasting defined as "bringing the gospel of faith"?
 
Nov 17, 2017
595
409
63
Hi!
LOL it is funny those who think unbelief is the unpardonable sin. When they get saved it becomes pardonable
Is this not what He said?
Grace is extended to everyone until they Depart this life, if they did not come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ before they died, the Word of God says they will receive eternal punishment.
Thats what He said....
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
12,353
4,067
113
Hi!

Is this not what He said?

Thats what He said....
no it is not context, " unpardonable " has to do with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The term unpardonable sin is not said in the bible. who said it? what does the term refer to?
 
Nov 17, 2017
595
409
63
no it is not context, " unpardonable " has to do with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The term unpardonable sin is not said in the bible. who said it? what does the term refer to?
Hi!
Let me try to explain , how I understand.


Holy Spirit is not an outside "force", He is God.
Christ Who is the Power and Wisdom of God, is God.

(Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Believe not that "I am" ; Yahweh, El, God.


He is the same:

Exod 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

.......ye shall die in your sins..

How do you come to Salvation without Christ?

Why it is important to tell the Good news about our risen Savior....



God Bless...
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
(Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

The only unpardonable sin.

God Bless..
Exactly.....it boils down to unbelief into Christ and his work and being from God......
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
It is not about us, It is all about God and His Christ.....
God Bless!!
That is what I said.....contextually they were denying that the works Jesus was doing was from the power of God and claimed it was from the devil. We know it was by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.....to deny his work and say it was not from or of God and by his power is to be in a state of unbelief...one that will not believe -->cannot be forgiven.
 

luigi

Junior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,222
216
63
If blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin, then we need to define what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit means, as the soon to arrive Antichrist, along with the beast, will speak great things constituting blasphemies against God, which will have the whole world in adoration of the beast, the dragon, and the AC.
 

tantalon

Active member
Oct 11, 2019
286
105
43
That is what I said.....contextually they were denying that the works Jesus was doing was from the power of God and claimed it was from the devil. We know it was by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.....to deny his work and say it was not from or of God and by his power is to be in a state of unbelief...one that will not believe -->cannot be forgiven.
You are not reading the WORDS of Matthew 12: 30-32. and mark 3: 28-30. This sin is NOT about Jesus, God, or unbelief. It is about speaking words that are irreverent, (blasphemous) and are directed towards the CHARACTER or PERSON of the Holy Spirit. An example is given in Marks account in verse 30 stating that the spirit that was doing the works, was that of an unclean spirit or devil.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
You are not reading the WORDS of Matthew 12: 30-32. and mark 3: 28-30. This sin is NOT about Jesus, God, or unbelief. It is about speaking words that are irreverent, (blasphemous) and are directed towards the CHARACTER or PERSON of the Holy Spirit. An example is given in Marks account in verse 30 stating that the spirit that was doing the works, was that of an unclean spirit or devil.
Not going to argue the obvious...their words BOIL DOWN TO UNBELIEF....it is NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS....

No belief that Christ is from GOD = NO FORGIVENESS.....

END of story!
 
Apr 9, 2020
136
30
28
Thanks for the reply

It would seem you are on what I would call the "light road" . Jesus says lying spirits come out by prayer and fasting both need .The disciples were fasting according to a law of the father a oral tradition of men.

Fasting is defined as bringing the gospel of faith (sola scriptura) It does the unseen work of forming Christ in those who do receive his mercy and grace this is when His Spirit is working with them making the burden lighter as they rest in him.

Prayer I beleive can challenge our ability to love. And the first and foremost work of love is, patience, it then can be kind .God' love is long suffering you could say eternal . Casting our sin away as far as East is from West. The long suffering work of love keeps no record of wrong suffered. Its us that need to be reminded we have forgiven a person .

Its one of those shake the dust wash you feet and be ready for another opportunity .Love is long suffering

Catholicism makes his sufferings without affect.

Keep up the faith that works in us then it will not let you down . We can it will not. Prayer and fasting. ( Isaiah 58 the fasting parable)

Makes a great study It would seem according to verse 4 "to make your voice to be heard on high". brings the thing on high down to our level . Today fasting is some kind of idea that not eating something could help someone else. That does not represent the gospel. But rather a temporal change in diet .
I was rebuked by a Catholic friend today, when I tried to share the Gospel with him.
He shut me down very quickly, and asked me why I still smoke as a Christian. That surprised me and I really didn't know what to say, so I said that I am trying to cut down and that I plan to quit all together. He said, "you can't expect anyone to take you seriously while you still smoke". He has a point, so I need to try hard to quit asap.
God helped me quit drugs and alcohol, as I had a heavy addiction to both but cigarettes have been very hard to quit. You mentioned fasting, so I will pray and fast to help me gather the strength to beat the smoking addiction.
God has been extremely gracious to me, He has liberated me from the bondage of many different sins but I still struggle with smoking and road rage. I usually very calm and patient while driving, but every once in a while someone does something stupid and I explode into a fit of rage. I thought I was over that, as it was a daily event before I was saved but it still happens occasionally.
So if I can overcome those two sins, then I'll qualify to join those monks in their big monastery in the mountains. I mean they'd be squeaky clean, right? :)
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
I was rebuked by a Catholic friend today, when I tried to share the Gospel with him.
He shut me down very quickly, and asked me why I still smoke as a Christian. That surprised me and I really didn't know what to say, so I said that I am trying to cut down and that I plan to quit all together. He said, "you can't expect anyone to take you seriously while you still smoke". He has a point, so I need to try hard to quit asap.
God helped me quit drugs and alcohol, as I had a heavy addiction to both but cigarettes have been very hard to quit. You mentioned fasting, so I will pray and fast to help me gather the strength to beat the smoking addiction.
God has been extremely gracious to me, He has liberated me from the bondage of many different sins but I still struggle with smoking and road rage. I usually very calm and patient while driving, but every once in a while someone does something stupid and I explode into a fit of rage. I thought I was over that, as it was a daily event before I was saved but it still happens occasionally.
So if I can overcome those two sins, then I'll qualify to join those monks in their big monastery in the mountains. I mean they'd be squeaky clean, right? :)
Catholiscim is quick to use the letter of the law to try and convince the non venerable ones. That it is of the churches oral traditions that are the master teaching authority.

They must as law of men teach our sufferings are added to his. If they smoked and did burn themselves they can offer that up as partial payment that is never full. . Quick smoking. I smoked for 40 years in his mercy, knock on wood. I lost the desire.

Its not so much overcoming sin the goal of our new faith . But the grace need to pay the wage in full .

Catholiscim simply does despite to the grace of Christ .Making Christ's work of faith as a labor of his love without effect.

The bible informs us there must he heresies amongst us. But declares that doing despite to His grace is one that is not forgivable. we can use that to judge they have another gospel another teaching authroity other than the Holy Spirit.

Catholiscim gives that over to this Queen of heaven making the grace of God is represent to our father without effect by the law of the fathers. They teach Mary is the only one that received the fullness of grace, every other human gets a unknown remnant .And that she is the dispenser of mercy. (did God really say?)

Focus on sola scriptura the source or power of the gospel as it is written and keep praying for endurance as patience, the first l work of love. . the fruit of His Spirt working in us .Without it I hide from my wife.. (little bit of truth) lol

same with road rage. Take the time and figure what difference would it make is get there three seconds later. Still working on that one.

The old Simon and Garfunkel's song has become a interest. "slowdown your' moving to fast. Count the pebbles drop a few that are weighing a person down. Before you know less speeding tickets more safety . Become the Beta or Charlie dog leave the Alfa for the ones that could realize the faster they go the father they fall behind. No Sabbath rest for them .

If you did quit that would not effect how they beleive. As good increase so do those who consume. .Again thy have mankind suffering for a unknown amount of time. They most like would offer their praise to the queen wizard
 
Apr 9, 2020
136
30
28
Catholiscim is quick to use the letter of the law to try and convince the non venerable ones. That it is of the churches oral traditions that are the master teaching authority.

They must as law of men teach our sufferings are added to his. If they smoked and did burn themselves they can offer that up as partial payment that is never full. . Quick smoking. I smoked for 40 years in his mercy, knock on wood. I lost the desire.

Its not so much overcoming sin the goal of our new faith . But the grace need to pay the wage in full .

Catholiscim simply does despite to the grace of Christ .Making Christ's work of faith as a labor of his love without effect.

The bible informs us there must he heresies amongst us. But declares that doing despite to His grace is one that is not forgivable. we can use that to judge they have another gospel another teaching authroity other than the Holy Spirit.

Catholiscim gives that over to this Queen of heaven making the grace of God is represent to our father without effect by the law of the fathers. They teach Mary is the only one that received the fullness of grace, every other human gets a unknown remnant .And that she is the dispenser of mercy. (did God really say?)

Focus on sola scriptura the source or power of the gospel as it is written and keep praying for endurance as patience, the first l work of love. . the fruit of His Spirt working in us .Without it I hide from my wife.. (little bit of truth) lol

same with road rage. Take the time and figure what difference would it make is get there three seconds later. Still working on that one.

The old Simon and Garfunkel's song has become a interest. "slowdown your' moving to fast. Count the pebbles drop a few that are weighing a person down. Before you know less speeding tickets more safety . Become the Beta or Charlie dog leave the Alfa for the ones that could realize the faster they go the father they fall behind. No Sabbath rest for them .

If you did quit that would not effect how they beleive. As good increase so do those who consume. .Again thy have mankind suffering for a unknown amount of time. They most like would offer their praise to the queen wizard
I think we could say that there are only two religions in the world, the Christian one and all the rest. Since every other religion relies on the individual's good works for some kind of reward and the Roman Catholics are no different.
I was speaking to a Greek Orthodox friend, who regularly visits a monk who lives in a monastery about 2 hrs drive up in the mountains. He told me that the monk said, "there's no salvation, outside of the Orthodox Church". I told him that I'd heard the same claim is made by the RCC, he said of'course they'd say that because they came from us but we are the original and oldest Church.

I find it amazing that a bright guy like my Greek friend could be so easily mislead, by someone who's out of touch with the real world. Christ and His disciples, never isolated themselves in some mansion away from everyone else. They were in among the riffraff of society, Christ was even accused of being a wine bibber and a friend of prostitutes.

The more I look at the world, the clearer God's Word becomes. The Bible tells us that the Gospel is offensive, to wise people of the world. My friend keeps bragging about how wise his monk is, he keeps quoting his words of wisdom. He never quotes anything Christ said or what the Bible says, he places his trust in this monk who's more than happy to accept his gifts in exchange for worldly wisdom.

It's the same with all the other religions, the followers always look up to some wise guy for instruction. It makes me wonder why these people have no interest in the things of God, The apostle Paul describes such people as having 'itching ears'. They seem to seek out, those who can best tickle their ears.

I've found that most people look at the outside and if you're not successful, in the worldly sense they won't listen to what you have to say. This is why the 'prosperity preachers are so successful, folks look at them and think 'I wanna be like that'.
I'm not sure what your view is on the question of salvation, ie. is it us choosing to believe in the Gospel or is it God drawing us to Himself. In plainer words, do you believe in election and predestination or do you believe that something within us causes us to believe the Gospel, while others reject it.

I find that people are either open or closed to the Gospel, so I's have to say that God must be drawing certain people to Himself. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not stating that a persons right or wrong view on this question effects their salvation or excludes them from fellowship.

I've found that most people change their view several times, on certain Bible doctrines.
 
Last edited:

tantalon

Active member
Oct 11, 2019
286
105
43
no it is not context, " unpardonable " has to do with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The term unpardonable sin is not said in the bible. who said it? what does the term refer to?
I should think "unforgiveable" is another word, but saying the same thing as unpardonable. In other words, there is no forgiveness for committing it. Read the wording in Matthew 12: 31,32. or Mark 3: 28-30, with verse thirty, giving an example. It is not unbelief, Jesus, or God the Father, but about SAYING derogatory words regarding the Spirit of Grace.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
I think we could say that there are only two religions in the world, the Christian one and all the rest. Since every other religion relies on the individual's good works for some kind of reward and the Roman Catholics are no different.
I was speaking to a Greek Orthodox friend, who regularly visits a monk who lives in a monastery about 2 hrs drive up in the mountains. He told me that the monk said, "there's no salvation, outside of the Orthodox Church". I told him that I'd heard the same claim is made by the RCC, he said of'course they'd say that because they came from us but we are the original and oldest Church.

I find it amazing that a bright guy like my Greek friend could be so easily mislead, by someone who's out of touch with the real world. Christ and His disciples, never isolated themselves in some mansion away from everyone else. They were in among the riffraff of society, Christ was even accused of being a wine bibber and a friend of prostitutes.

The more I look at the world, the clearer God's Word becomes. The Bible tells us that the Gospel is offensive, to wise people of the world. My friend keeps bragging about how wise his monk is, he keeps quoting his words of wisdom. He never quotes anything Christ said or what the Bible says, he places his trust in this monk who's more than happy to accept his gifts in exchange for worldly wisdom.

It's the same with all the other religions, the followers always look up to some wise guy for instruction. It makes me wonder why these people have no interest in the things of God, The apostle Paul describes such people as having 'itching ears'. They seem to seek out, those who can best tickle their ears.

I've found that most people look at the outside and if you're not successful, in the worldly sense they won't listen to what you have to say. This is why the 'prosperity preachers are so successful, folks look at them and think 'I wanna be like that'.
I'm not sure what your view is on the question of salvation, ie. is it us choosing to believe in the Gospel or is it God drawing us to Himself. In plainer words, do you believe in election and predestination or do you believe that something within us causes us to believe the Gospel, while others reject it.

I find that people are either open or closed to the Gospel, so I's have to say that God must be drawing certain people to Himself. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not stating that a persons right or wrong view on this question effects their salvation or excludes them from fellowship.

I've found that most people change their view several times, on certain Bible doctrines.
Hi thanks

Yes Christianity, two or three that gather together under all things written in the law and prophets. This without the oral tradition of men.

His word is law .

Not one of the philosophies of men, a law of men made up of oral traditions of corrupted mankind and therefore destroying the one source of faith by which men can believe God as he works in them to make it possible to hear his understanding

The Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic are like a carbon copy of the Pharisees with Sadducees two sects that put there differences aside so that the a could worship a queen entity. Called the strange woman . Not the bride of Christ. The two sects put aside their differences o they can continue walk after the gentiles "out of sight out of mind". No faith that alone comes from hearing God

No man can serve two different sources of one faith . Catholicon remains faithless having their own foundation (necromancy) worshiping patron saints disembodied spirits used to make the faith of our Father without effect.

Matthew 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

He warned them of trying to make him into a circus seal over and over

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Yet they refused to believe or exercise working out faith that comes from hearing His understanding. Not that of the fathers who they make into gods in the likeness of men and seek their approval .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

I would suggest asking your friend how he has come to the understanding that he could serve two Teaching Masters as lord when even Jesus refused that tittle (Good Master) and said ; one is our Good Master, God not seen

The same God that lived in the Son of man's earthen vessel of death.