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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
I don't know about that, but I want every Freegracer here to honestly list the shows they've been watching on Hulu, and Netflix, etc. and we'll see who's been excusing their sin. ;)

I mean, watching naked couples have sex, with genitals visible (a.k.a. porn) is a sin even in the new osas doctrine, right? It's just excused in the name of grace, right?
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People that make these accusations are actually the ones with that struggle with this the most.... you know that right?
 
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Lightskin said:
Show me where it says that anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ but is guilty of murder does not have eternal life.
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King David
Moses
Saul/Paul

Examples of three murderers who I KNOW will be in heaven with me when I get there
 
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Judges1318 said:
No deflection.
You started calling out sin.
Let's do that.
Was grace given to us so we can watch porn?
Or was grace given to us to overcome the lusts of the flesh?
Who's walking in the Spirit, the person who says grace cuts them slack to watch porn, or the person who turns away from porn in the power of the Spirit?
I'm really tired of this claim that the belief that grace covers all sin itself is true faith, but actually walking, no, running, away from it is 'works'.
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Judges1318 said:
No, my doctrine does not say you can sin all you want and you will remain saved no matter what.
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The only people who accuse that "grace is a license to sin" are the ones who preach a losable salvation.

You sir, have a SIN issue, that is clear.

Paul states that those who make accusations "grace is a license to sin" do so from a place of unbelief.

And there we have the TRUE UNBELIEF... is the one you preach

You do not believe that all sin will was settled at the cross ... that is UNBELIEF

Our deeds never determined our destiny and to preach "grace" ........ is not to sanction sin ..........but to settle one's trust in the Saviour.
 
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He and others cannot grasp that Hebrews speaks to a REST IN THIS LIFE AFFORDED BELIEVERS and that how DISOBEDIENCE leads to the WILDERNESS....NOT losing positional salvation....!!
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Amen!!

Never once does scripture state lost positional salvation.

Yet, they twist or reinvent meanings, read into the words beyond what is there.. every manner of deceitful handling of scripture.

Why.. to maintain their own sense of self-worth... I can save myself. Nauseating.
 
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EleventhHour said:
People that make these accusations are actually the ones with that struggle with this the most.... you know that right?
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I don't have a porn addiction.
Never have.
But nice try anyway, lol.

I empathize with anyone who does.
Just don't excuse it in the name of Freegrace doctrine thinking that believing the Freegrace doctrine is somehow the sign of true spirituality. No, actually departing from sin is the sign of true spirituality. May God help you find that spiritual place.
 
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Judges1318 said:
I don't have a porn addiction.
Never have.
But nice try anyway, lol.

I emphasize with anyone who does.
Just don't excuse it in the name of Freegrace doctrine thinking that believing the Freegrace doctrine is somehow the sign of true spirituality. No, actually departing from sin is the sign of true spirituality. May God help you find that spiritual place.
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Yeah well, first you need to get the Gospel right....
And believing in God's forgiveness/Confessing sin.... is not the Gospel.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Amen!!

Never once does scripture state lost positional salvation.

Yet, they twist or reinvent meanings, read into the words beyond what is there.. every manner of deceitful handling of scripture.

Why.. to maintain their own sense of self-worth... I can save myself. Nauseating.
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I'm not done looking through the posts but did you ever address this?

"14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end." - Hebrews 3:14

Hebrews is a book written to Christians exhorting them to remain Christians.
Your theories about it not being about spiritual salvation come woefully short in view of the plain words right in Hebrews.
 
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EleventhHour said:
And believing in God's forgiveness/Confessing sin.... is not the Gospel.
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I can't go into detail why, but this is why I don't consider you a saved person.
But I'm not going to beat you up about it.
You need someday to see what salvation through Christ means and lay hold of it.
Freegrace doctrine ain't it.
 
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Judges1318 said:
No deflection.
You started calling out sin.
Let's do that.
Was grace given to us so we can watch porn?
Or was grace given to us to overcome the lusts of the flesh?
Who's walking in the Spirit, the person who says grace cuts them slack to watch porn, or the person who turns away from porn in the power of the Spirit?
I'm really tired of this claim that the belief that grace covers all sin itself is true faith, but actually walking, no, running, away from it is 'works'.
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Both. But only one is edifying.
 
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Oh, you deleted the post which states you do not consider me a saved person.
No worries I actually prefer it that way.

Your gospel is Catholicism 101.
 
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Lightskin said:
Show me where it says that anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ but is guilty of murder does not have eternal life.
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I don't know about that, I just know what John says:

"Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." - 1 John 3:15
 
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Judges1318 said:
I don't know about that, I just know what John says:

"Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." - 1 John 3:15
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Like I said yesterday, you NEVER focus on God’s grace, but rather your twisted negativity.

God will not lose even one that belongs to Him. That’s grace, and it’s beautiful.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Oh, you deleted the post which states you do not consider me a saved person.
No worries I actually prefer it that way.

Your gospel is Catholicism 101.
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What I've learned is it comes down to what a person thinks about sin that shows if you can consider them a brother/sister.
 
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Judges1318 said:
I don't know about that, I just know what John says:

"Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." - 1 John 3:15
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You do not know about what... come out and state it .. that
King David
Moses
Saul/Paul

Are not in Heaven?
 
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Lightskin said:
Like I said yesterday, you NEVER focus on God’s grace, but rather your twisted negativity.

God will not lose even one that belongs to Him. That’s grace, and it’s beautiful.
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Walking in righteousness IS God's grace.
But to you NOT walking in righteousness is God's grace.
Freegrace doctrine is for unsaved people who haven't settled the sin issue between them and God.
 
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Judges1318 said:
What I've learned is it comes down to what a person thinks about sin that shows if you can consider them a brother/sister.
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I have learned that it is people who understand the cross... the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus are the ones who are saved.

The ones that understand all sin was settled at the cross.
 
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