Is God Good?

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Are you agreeing or disagreeing? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
I'm just saying our hearts condemn us. The Law only breaks it down for the wicked so they have no excuse.
 
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By the looks of it you will probably never know.
It's impossible to allow things that don't exist. All the created order is a positive force of God.
 
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The Pharisees of Jesus day put their faith in the doctrines of men (Rabbinical commentators) as well.
So you don't agree at all with the historic creeds of the church?
 
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I don't take stock in anyone who disagrees with the Creeds.
You haven’t taken stock in anything anyone has stated for the last 26 pages. Enjoy your creeds. Usually people who are too lazy to do their own research just subscribe to someone else’s. Hopefully, your creeds are more than a testament of faith. It’s not a belief that saves. It’s a transformation that occurs from an active faith.
 
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Even if we had the original Hebrew,
The Bible is written in the Original Hebrew before the Tower of Babel. The Kabbalah people have preserved the meaning of the 22 letters that make up the Hebrew Alphabet. Each letter has its own archetypal meaning. A represents the head of an ox, the leader of a hurd. B represents a tent or any dwelling place for home or business. C represents a camel and the concept of run and return as the camel goes back and forth on it's trade route. D represents the door and what we allow to enter in and what we choose to keep out. When we understand what each letter represents then we can determine the meaning or definition of each and every word in the Bible. The context helps us to confirm the meaning we have learned through out study of the Hebrew Letters.
 

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Allow? So wicked people are the savior for killing Jesus which is necessary for salvation. Is Satan really the savior in this?
Think whatever bizarre unscriptural thoughts you would like.
 
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Think whatever bizarre unscriptural thoughts you would like.
God's love, not Satan and the Jews or Romans receives credit for Christ's death. God killed him in love for the elect to atone for our sins.
 
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You haven’t taken stock in anything anyone has stated for the last 26 pages. Enjoy your creeds. Usually people who are too lazy to do their own research just subscribe to someone else’s. Hopefully, your creeds are more than a testament of faith. It’s not a belief that saves. It’s a transformation that occurs from an active faith.
Depending on how well you know the creeds, only few align with them today. Heresy is rampant.
 
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Psalm 107:

31 Oh that men would praise the LORD
for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

32 Let them exalt him also in the congregation of the people, and praise him in the assembly of the elders.

33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground;

34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.

35 He turneth the wilderness into a standing water, and dry ground into watersprings.

36 And there he maketh the hungry to dwell, that they may prepare a city for habitation;

37 And sow the fields, and plant vineyards, which may yield fruits of increase.

38 He blesseth them also, so that they are multiplied greatly; and suffereth not their cattle to decrease.

39 Again, they are minished and brought low through oppression, affliction, and sorrow.

40 He poureth contempt upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way.

41 Yet setteth he the poor on high from affliction, and maketh him families like a flock.

42 The righteous shall see it, and rejoice: and all iniquity shall stop her mouth.

43 Whoso is wise, and will observe these things, even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD.



 
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God's love, not Satan and the Jews or Romans receives credit for Christ's death. God killed him in love for the elect to atone for our sins.

Murder is not love. What you are saying doesn't line up with the Word. You talk about heresy but your belief is the worst heresy I've ever seen on here, and that's saying something. The Bible says Jesus laid down His life. He was not murdered by His own Father. Nowhere does the Bible indicate this. I don't know where you and Clark came up with it. I've traveled in hundreds of churches over the yrs. and never heard such a teaching in all the denoms. I was in. I've never heard anything so outrageous in all my life said by someone claiming to be a Christian. I truly hope you come into the truth one day, you are horrifically deceived. The great pity is I believe you are too spiritually arrogant to allow God to show you the truth.
 
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Murder is not love. What you are saying doesn't line up with the Word. You talk about heresy but your belief is the worst heresy I've ever seen on here, and that's saying something. The Bible says Jesus laid down His life. He was not murdered by His own Father. Nowhere does the Bible indicate this. I don't know where you and Clark came up with it. I've traveled in hundreds of churches over the yrs. and never heard such a teaching in all the denoms. I was in. I've never heard anything so outrageous in all my life said by someone claiming to be a Christian. I truly hope you come into the truth one day, you are horrifically deceived. The great pity is I believe you are too spiritually arrogant to allow God to show you the truth.
Who killed Jesus?

“Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, Yet he opened not his mouth: He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, So he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: And who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land of the living: For the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death; Because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: When thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, He shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; For he shall bear their iniquities.” Isaiah 53:1–11 (KJV 1900)
 

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God's love, not Satan and the Jews or Romans receives credit for Christ's death. God killed him in love for the elect to atone for our sins.
So you think that God kill all of the Christian martyrs too?
 
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I'm just saying our hearts condemn us. The Law only breaks it down for the wicked so they have no excuse.

The heart of corrupted mankind is desperately wicked and beyond repair . A new heart and spirit is given.

God is greater that our conscience "the witness of men" . We compare his word to his word as law .Not our heart to the heart of other. God looks upon the heart the one who give us his desire.

Can't divide the letter of the law (the whole Bible) from itself . it will continue do its perfect work of convicting to death and healing by the law of faith .Two laws working as one perfect.

No law no trespass.
You rob God of his glory giving it to Satan if you think the Father didn't kill him in his mercy for the sins of the elect. You make the devil the savior.
He did not kill him anymore than Lazarus was killed never to rise. .Jesus called Lazarus ..."Rise" lesson of faith over. .Obviously he was not dead for four days. Three for Jesus. Three for Jonas.

The parallel sign as a wonder was fulfilled. It is seen by comparing the two parables called. . "Three days in the heart of the corrupted earth" The Earth that moans to be clothed with the incorruptible new heavens and earth ..a term that defines a "living sufferings". No dead sacrifices and abomination.. The work of the father and Son is finished. The Son of man walked out of the tomb . The glory went to the unseen father who worked with the Son.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

The father breathed into the Son of man, Jesus our savior . Its the Father and Son working as one living sacrifice. It brought peace not death . No father no Son. No Son of man, no display or demonstration of God .

It would appear something is turned upside down? Like "hell" for instance. .

Faith that works in us comes from hearing the unseen .that faith gives us ears to understand him not seen . His law of faith raises those dead in their trespasses and sin under the letter of the law .The treasure of His power that works in us .
We like with Lazarus are loving commanded to help each remove these corrupted grave cloth knowing it is Christ in us working to both will and do the good pleasure of our Good master not seen

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. John 11:43-44

Note.. Red the power of the father not seen .Green .... the Son the lively working out the witness of that power. The work of peace that surpasses our understanding as His understanding freely given to us. Purple. . the Royal result of the work of faith as a labor of the love of God our King of kings
 
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Who killed Jesus?

“Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, Yet he opened not his mouth: He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, So he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: And who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land of the living: For the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death; Because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: When thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, He shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; For he shall bear their iniquities.” Isaiah 53:1–11 (KJV 1900)
Its Smitten of God, and afflicted . Not killed never to rise.

It would appear that you chose not to used the tool for rightly dividing the parable . He saw the suffering or travail of his soul. the same kind applied to Paul who travailed as in birth pains till Christ was formed in Timothy .

The father strengthened the Son who cried out for strength so that the Son of man would not die and never to rise again. The father kept it from reaching the end of corruption. never to rise again .

You could say he kept the worms at bay for three days .A living sacrifice. . giving spirit life in jeopardy of ones own .


2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Its Smitten of God, and afflicted . Not killed never to rise.

It would appear that you chose not to used the tool for rightly dividing the parable . He saw the suffering or travail of his soul. the same kind applied to Paul who travailed as in birth pains till Christ was formed in Timothy .

The father strengthened the Son who cried out for strength so that the Son of man would not die and never to rise again. The father kept it from reaching the end of corruption. never to rise again .

You could say he kept the worms at bay for three days .A living sacrifice. . giving spirit life in jeopardy of ones own .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Jesus did not die on the cross?
 
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So you think that God kill all of the Christian martyrs too?
Not a sparrow drops to the ground without the Father. He kills everyone eventually. The wages of sin is death.