creationist debate?

[Rondonmon]

Yes, the firmament is the heavens.

I don't understand why you crossed all that out, all of that is correct, you just need to keep reading the next verses.

Genesis 1:9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Its just happened, I didn't cross it out. Probably the site I copy and pasted from I guess....Mystery to me brother.
Yes, the earth was there on the 2nd Day........it took the crust about 500,000 years to cool before grasses could grow on the surface, or even longer.

By 4 billion years ago the earth had cooled enough for the outer layers to have solidified and for oceans to form. Flying past the earth at this time we would see a vast ocean from pole to pole, with volcanoes scattered here and there but no continents - pretty much the scene to the right captured about 3.8-4.0 billion years ago. The oldest rocks we have date to 3.96 billion years ago, and contain evidence of sedimentary rocks that require water.

The earth cooled from the outside in, and the still molten iron-nickle core are the remnants of that heat from the early stage of melting. That heat is also what keeps the earth geologically active, and without it nothing that we know of the earth would exist today, no continents, no volcanos, no mountains, no oceans, and almost certainly no life - a dead planet like mars or the moon.

So there is a reason DAY 2.........Earth Formed and Day 3 are different days {Time periods} and that is because they took place far apart.

 

[Rondonmon]

yawn

In your view

But you were not there. So you can give all the information you think it was required. does not prove a thing.

And your comment YEC is not from God. Well thats just childish. and adds nothing to the conversation. which is why the use responded to you the way they did.

6000 years SMH.

 

[Rondonmon]

We disagree. I see no point in discussing the matter further with such an arrogant, condescending jackass.

Great Christian spirit....I have been a preacher 35 years but I am a Jack.... NICE. All because I call out what anyone can see is not factual.

 

[Rondonmon]

This is strictly relating to this portion of your post and NOT to what else is being said.

It takes us literally 3 to 5 days on average just to fly to the moon.
It takes us literally 130 to 150 days to fly the rover to Mars, our second closest planet from us. (almost a half a year of flight)
^
This is within our own Galaxy.
When we think of stars we see in the evening sky, the majority of those stars are not even in our Galaxy, but literally so far away that we cannot build a fuselage big enough to get there, let alone to return.
It would take literally everyone currently on this planets entire lifetime to even get halfway to the majority of these stars. (which 8 Billion people living at the average rate of 75 years equals to 600,000,000,000 (600 Billion)). It's literally impossible for 1 human, or one designed space craft with enough fuel support to reach the CLOSEST star outside our Galaxy!
^
And then to think the Universe is only 6,000 years old, when if we could travel 6,000 years from Earth to somewhere in Space, we would only be 1/1000 to the closest Galaxy near us. (Distance to our next Galaxy (Andromeda M31) is 2.54 million light years -> 2.54 *10^6 ly 9.461*10^12 km per light year = distance of 24.03 *10^18 km).
^
Since Adam to us, around 6,000 years, we would barely make it out of our own Galaxy!

The YEC Group just amazes me how they cannot grasp just how big Space is in relation to travel according to seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, etc...

It boggles my mind to think someone can believe this Universe is only 6,000 years old when it would take 100 quadrillion lifetimes of human beings to reach the closest point!

I think you missed, my point, I was being FACETIOUS.....I believe the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the earth is 4.5 Billion years old. In my first post, I place a 3 or 4-year-old blog on here that explains how I see God created the Universe over 13.7 Billion years with mankind being created 6000 years ago because God IMPARTED His Spirit in use, any man like animal before that did not have the Spirit of God in him. S people that say MANS BONES can be seen 100k years back, to that I say, so.....you can't measure when God IMPARTED mankind with His Spirit to make us Human Beings. I say that happened 6000 years ago with Adam. That is why there are NO RECORDS before that. We gained KNOWLEDGE at that very moment.

 

[Rondonmon]

A YouTube vid would be just a theory no one knows what would happen anyone like us can talk all day along about the what if or that.

there are many times the moon is not illuminated at night and it’s not pitch black, really it doesn’t get pitch black start looking at the stars etc when the moon is not visible you will noticed you can still see with the Milky Way shining on earth, though you got to get away from city lights to see the light from stars.

if you ever been somewhere with little city or urban lights the night is well illuminated rather the moon is visible or not, a new moon is when the moon is totally not visible though it is there at night you just can’t see it for it is a new moon. The best time for illumination is at a full moon that will produce some added light but a lot of the phases of the moon doesn’t illuminate very much you just see a sliver of light.

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NO....We can calculate what would happen with no earth, COME ON....It's better to have knowledge than to be right......who cares about being right or wrong, we all start out knowing nothing as babies and journey unto God's Knowledge. It's not our anyway. We all see darkly know. Men are just like men.......we have always been that way, competitive. It is what it is.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Its just happened, I didn't cross it out. Probably the site I copy and pasted from I guess....Mystery to me brother.
Yes, the earth was there on the 2nd Day........it took the crust about 500,000 years to cool before grasses could grow on the surface, or even longer.

By 4 billion years ago the earth had cooled enough for the outer layers to have solidified and for oceans to form. Flying past the earth at this time we would see a vast ocean from pole to pole, with volcanoes scattered here and there but no continents - pretty much the scene to the right captured about 3.8-4.0 billion years ago. The oldest rocks we have date to 3.96 billion years ago, and contain evidence of sedimentary rocks that require water.

The earth cooled from the outside in, and the still molten iron-nickle core are the remnants of that heat from the early stage of melting. That heat is also what keeps the earth geologically active, and without it nothing that we know of the earth would exist today, no continents, no volcanos, no mountains, no oceans, and almost certainly no life - a dead planet like mars or the moon.

So there is a reason DAY 2.........Earth Formed and Day 3 are different days {Time periods} and that is because they took place far apart.

No all that's a more modern lie. God made the earth and the seas, and the plants, and the evening and the morning, the third day. The next day he made the Sun and the Moon and the Stars, and the evening and the morning, the forth day.

Since I all ready show you day 3, it is the same advice as before, very simply, you just need to keep reading. Here is day 4.

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[JamOn]

NO....We can calculate what would happen with no earth, COME ON....It's better to have knowledge than to be right......who cares about being right or wrong, we all start out knowing nothing as babies and journey unto God's Knowledge. It's not our anyway. We all see darkly know. Men are just like men.......we have always been that way, competitive. It is what it is.

Ok you win it would get really wobbly we would probably fall off 😜

 

[biker]

I think you missed, my point, I was being FACETIOUS.....I believe the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the earth is 4.5 Billion years old. In my first post, I place a 3 or 4-year-old blog on here that explains how I see God created the Universe over 13.7 Billion years with mankind being created 6000 years ago because God IMPARTED His Spirit in use, any man like animal before that did not have the Spirit of God in him. S people that say MANS BONES can be seen 100k years back, to that I say, so.....you can't measure when God IMPARTED mankind with His Spirit to make us Human Beings. I say that happened 6000 years ago with Adam. That is why there are NO RECORDS before that. We gained KNOWLEDGE at that very moment.

And the post you quoted of mine, is me being serious why we just cannot hop into some space shuttle and fly all over the Universe because its vast expansion is proving the theory of the Universe being almost 14 Billion years old. Distance in Space is measured several ways, but generally it's based upon light years, or how long an object's light takes to travel for us to be able to observe it. This alone proves this Universe could never be as young as 6,000 years when something we view at night literally takes billions of years to reach us.

 

[JamOn]

No all that's a more modern lie. God made the earth and the seas, and the plants, and the evening and the morning, the third day. The next day he made the Sun and the Moon and the Stars, and the evening and the morning, the forth day.

Since I all ready show you day 3, it is the same advice as before, very simply, you just need to keep reading. Here is day 4.

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

A little different but since you are so sure of the proper order, what would be your opinion on John 19:14 and Mark 15:25, clearly as the current order of verses John’s account places Jesus before being crucified when Pilate brought him out infront of the crowd as per the order of verses in John, can you help me reconcile with this order that doesn’t jive at all? third hour crucifix and a six hour brought out with the purple robe on.

Sorry for the little off topic but nonetheless it’s in the Bible about order of verses.

Mark 15:25
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

John 19
13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Hebrewa is Gabbatha.

14 It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”

15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!”

it’s clear to me verse 14 is out of place, can something like this could of happened in the OT, makes me wonder

 

[JeremiahsCup]

A little different but since you are so sure of the proper order, what would be your opinion on John 19:14 and Mark 15:25, clearly as the current order of verses John’s account places Jesus before being crucified when Pilate brought him out infront of the crowd as per the order of verses in John, can you help me reconcile with this order that doesn’t jive at all? third hour crucifix and a six hour brought out with the purple robe on.

Sorry for the little off topic but nonetheless it’s in the Bible about order of verses.

Mark 15:25
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

John 19
13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Hebrewa is Gabbatha.

14 It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”

15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!”

it’s clear to me verse 14 is out of place, can something like this could of happened in the OT, makes me wonder

Pilate was the Governor of Judaea this is even politically certified both in the Bible and the writings of the Roman Pagan Tacitus whose book I have and have read. Pilate therefore is the representative of Caesar. He in mockery of the jews says Here is your King! The peoples of Judaea spurred on by the heretical priests demand Jesus be crucified and even acclaim they have no king but Caesar. God hath taken the mockers in their mockery fulfilling the prophecies indeed from the OT as you perceive dimly. For consider too how Caesar's own representatives signed and sealed in the blood of the Son of God who still rightfully sits on the throne of David when Pilate wrote on the holy cross KING OF THE JEWS in the three languages. Consider also how the priests wailed and Pilate said to them "what I have written is wrote". I think the Pharisees did indeed perceive how very indeed this proves Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ.

 

[JamOn]

Pilate was the Governor of Judaea this is even politically certified both in the Bible and the writings of the Roman Pagan Tacitus whose book I have and have read. Pilate therefore is the representative of Caesar. He in mockery of the jews says Here is your King! The peoples of Judaea spurred on by the heretical priests demand Jesus be crucified and even acclaim they have no king but Caesar. God hath taken the mockers in their mockery fulfilling the prophecies indeed from the OT as you perceive dimly. For consider too how Caesar's own representatives signed and sealed in the blood of the Son of God who still rightfully sits on the throne of David when Pilate wrote on the holy cross KING OF THE JEWS in the three languages. Consider also how the priests wailed and he said to them what I have written is wrote for I think they did indeed perceive how very indeed this proves Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ.

That’s not what I was asking, Marks account says third hour crucifix, Johns account at verse 14 says while before being crucified at the six hour that is three hours after Marks account of third hour you get what I mean? If verse 13 and 15 is where 14 really goes, if so then someone isn’t mentioning the proper time.

here I will post it again read carefully. even if Marks account is just mentioning the crowd verbally crucified, which I’m not so sure on that either.

Mark 15:25
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

John 19
13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Hebrewa is Gabbatha.

14 It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”

15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!”

 

[JamOn]

Yea that is a hard one to wrap around, though there is a answer.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

That’s not what I was asking, Marks account says third hour crucifix, Johns account at verse 14 says while before being crucified at the six hour that is three hours after Marks account of third hour you get what I mean? If verse 13 and 15 is where 14 really goes, if so then someone isn’t mentioning the proper time.

here I will post it again read carefully. even if Marks account is just mentioning the crowd verbally crucified, which I’m not so sure on that either.

Mark 15:25
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

John 19
13 When Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat on the judgment seat at a place called the Stone Pavement, which in Hebrewa is Gabbatha.

14 It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”

15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!”

Okay I think I see what you mean, was a little thrown off by the OT reference, thought you were wondering why they acted as they did.

This verse will probably help you.

Mark 15:33

33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

 

[JamOn]

Okay I think I see what you mean, was a little thrown off by the OT reference, thought you were wondering why they acted as they did.

This verse will probably help you.

Mark 15:33

33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

yes I know when Jesus was already nailed, look at John 19:14 read 13/14/15 where was Jesus in John’s account at verse 13 the sixth hour, if verse 14 is after 13

 

[JamOn]

And the post you quoted of mine, is me being serious why we just cannot hop into some space shuttle and fly all over the Universe because its vast expansion is proving the theory of the Universe being almost 14 Billion years old. Distance in Space is measured several ways, but generally it's based upon light years, or how long an object's light takes to travel for us to be able to observe it. This alone proves this Universe could never be as young as 6,000 years when something we view at night literally takes billions of years to reach us.

Ahh come on now you think to young universe, it’s 14.4 billion.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

yes I know when Jesus was already nailed, look at John 19:14 read 13/14/15 where was Jesus in John’s account at verse 13 the sixth hour, if verse 14 is after 13

I think if you're asking me like what order or sort of synergy to the Gospels this what I can copy and paste and assemble without lagging out or making this an absolute wall of quotes lol. Underlining the verses with the hours for easier reading.
John 19:1-12
1 Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.
2 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe,

3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.

4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;

9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

Mark 15:25-32
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.

27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,

30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 19:13-18
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

Mark 15:33-39
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

John 19:25-30
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

[JamOn]

I think if you're asking me like what order or sort of synergy to the Gospels this what I can copy and paste and assemble without lagging out or making this an absolute wall of quotes lol. Underlining the verses with the hours for easier reading.
John 19:1-12
1 Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.
2 And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe,

3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.

4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!

6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;

9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.

10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

Mark 15:25-32
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.

27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,

30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 19:13-18
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

Mark 15:33-39
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

John 19:25-30
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Exactly, so in Mark Jesus is at the skull mount being crucified at the third hour before in John at the sixth hour is being brought out in the city, I guess you don’t see a issue with the times and places.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Exactly, so in Mark Jesus is at the skull mount being crucified at the third hour before and in John at the sixth hour is being brought out in the city, I guess you don’t see a issue with the times and places.

Well it's more like I think since John first mentions the hours at around 6, but pretty far into the chapter which is running right on the tail end of the last chapter of his book. That the early parts are running concurrent to the trials and scourging and Pilate's attempt to get out of judging the case but being impressed upon by the jews to take to the judgement seat and then the subsequent scourging and early parts of the crucifixion. If you will, the moments the nails go in like you said before.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Faith in JESUS CHRIST sir...the MESSIAH was promised from the beginning...and the PROMISE to Abraham and ´his seed¨, that he would be the father of many nations came first BEFORE the LAW had come....

My dear sister in Christ,

You are right; God’s plan was from the start to give us his Son, Jesus. The Word teaches us that everything is about Jesus. So when we read anything in the Bible it should point back to the Son. Jesus is the alef and the tav. The people in the OT did not know Jesus the man, they knew Him as Yeshua the Messiah that would come, and some of them understood that He would die a horrible death for our sins.

Before Jesus came, they (people living in the OT) had to be redeemed from sin by the blood of a lamb. Today we know that the perfect Lamb was slain for our sins but the people living in the OT could not go to the cross because that didn’t happened as yet, they had to go to the tabernacle with their sin offering for their forgiveness.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I think you missed, my point, I was being FACETIOUS.....I believe the Universe is 13.7 Billion years old and the earth is 4.5 Billion years old. In my first post, I place a 3 or 4-year-old blog on here that explains how I see God created the Universe over 13.7 Billion years with mankind being created 6000 years ago because God IMPARTED His Spirit in use, any man like animal before that did not have the Spirit of God in him. S people that say MANS BONES can be seen 100k years back, to that I say, so.....you can't measure when God IMPARTED mankind with His Spirit to make us Human Beings. I say that happened 6000 years ago with Adam. That is why there are NO RECORDS before that. We gained KNOWLEDGE at that very moment.

I can believe Elijah was taken into heaven in a Ferrari, but it is just not Biblical.

35 years in ministry does not mean squad if you are spreading the wrong gospel. I can be a corrupt accountant for 35 years, but I am still an accountant.

The heaven and earth was created in six days according to the Bible. I believe God is big enough to have done it in one second but He took his time (5 days) because he made an effort for us. Imagine how heaven will look like becuase our Groom has been busy for almost 2000 years now preparing it for us. It is going to be amazing

God bless