The "Man of Sin" Prophecies

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Ahwatukee said:
Well, the beast with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns symbolically represents Satan as the one orchestrating in the background (Rev.12:3-4, 9)

Then in Rev.17:9-10, 12 we are what the seven heads and ten horns represent:

Seven heads: The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings.

Ten Horns: The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.

So the beast and the parts mentioned represent different things. The angel of the Abyss will be ...that eighth king who belongs to the seven and will come up out of the Abyss. He will be the power behind the antichrist. He is that same head that receives a deadly wound and is healed.
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It's a curious thing that the eighth king which is the power behind the antichrist is not permitted to harm anything green,the earth,grass,trees but only the ones not having the seal of God in their foreheads https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-4.htm ...

There seems to be a reason as to why they cant hurt or kill https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-5.htm them that is the ones who do not have the seal of God. You would think that the power behind the antichrist would be killing those aligned with God as in Revelation 13:15 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm '
 
Yahshua said:
Ok I see where you're coming from.

No, I'm not saying the beast is Catholicism. I'm saying the office of the Roman Papacy; Papal Rome is the beast; the man of sin. If I had to label Catholicism, it would be the great harlot (as a congregation of people) just like the Almighty's people are his faithful bride. The great harlot rides the beast.

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Revelation 17:8 & 10-11
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while

11 The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction.


So this beast was, but then wasn't and yet will be. So we have a morphing of sorts that happens to this beast.

Letting the scriptures define the scriptures, we learn from the explanation given to Daniel that beasts represent kingdoms/empires, confirmed by the angel in verse 11. So at a basic level, we have a kingdom/empire that came to exist, where:

- Five previous world-ruling kingdoms are gone.

- The 6th world-ruling kingdom is contemporary with John...we know this was The Roman Empire. It was definitely the head/king that IS in John's time.

- The next ruling kingdom after Rome hadn't appeared in John's time, but when it appears it will have a short rule comparatively.

- Then the 8th kingdom will come from the previous and is the particular kingdom that will go into "perdition" (i.e. be destroyed by the Messiah per 2 Thessalonians 2).

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Ok, so with the Roman Empire as our marker, let's compare scripture with history to prove why I believe "the man of sin" is the Papacy:

- We know The Roman Empire is the 6th kingdom

- In 395 AD The Roman Empire split into world-ruling empires: (Eastern) Byzantium & (Western) Roman Empire. So the 6th kingdom birth the 7th.

- In 476 AD The Roman Empire (western) is sacked and falls.

- In 538 AD The Papacy ascends in powers within the remaining Byzantine Empire, installed by the emperor and acquires land (i.e. the papal states) and an army. It's literally considered a sovereign kingdom, even today. 8th Kingdom of the seven.

- In 1453 Byzantium falls, but Papacy remains as a kingdom, gaining in authority, installing kings, and establishing papal bulls that sanction the persecution of 'heretics' of the faith as well as outlawing the possessing of the scriptures. He also speaks pompously blasphemous words like "Papa/Father", "Christ Vicariously", "Holds the place of God on earth"; changed times and laws, set new holy days, specifically persecuted the Jews and believing gentiles who protested their practices.

- In 1798 the papacy was ended by the French and was no longer a kingdom. But in 1929 Papal Rome was revived as a sovereign kingdom and has been with us since that time. Newspaper clippings even literally said, "wound healed".

Next, we have...


Revelation 17:12-13
12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast.

13 These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast


So there would be 10 kingdoms that hadn't yet come to power in John's time but that would rise to power and rule for a short time as contemporaries with "the beast", yielding their authority to him.

Historically there were 10 germanic kingdoms that rose to power after the Roman empire and eventually submitted to Papal Rome (either willingly or by force), and they were:

Alemanni

Suevi

Visigoths

Vandals (extinct)

Franks

Anglo-Saxons

Heruli (extinct)

Ostrogoths (extinct)

Lombards

Burgundians
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In Daniel's beast( Babylon,M/Persia,Greece and Rome), "there is not" mentioned a woman sitting on them. In Revelation 17 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm "there is a woman" on them.

Rome existed at the time that the Revelation was given to John and so cannot be whom received the deadly wound and was in the Pit in Rev. 17:8...

The Catholic Church did not exist "prior to" the writing of Rev. 17:8 and so it could not have received an deadly wound prior to Rev.17:8's timeline and so then it is not the one that ascends up out of the pit ,,that is if the one that received the wound and the beast that was,was not yet is are one and the same.

The The United States did not exist prior to Rev.17:8 nor did Muhammad nor the Quran and so are not the one that was, was not yet is, who received an wound and was to ascend. ,Rome,Egypt,Greece,Assyria,Persia,Babylon all were in existence at the time Revelation 17:8 was written https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm and the ten horns(nor the little horn) had received theirs yet https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-12.htm and so they are not who Rev. 17:8 is speaking of.

Who is it that existed prior to the Revelation that no longer existed as if it had a deadly wound that could have an image of it made when the two horned beast says "let us make an image of the beast" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-14.htm ?
 
iamsoandso said:
In Daniel's beast( Babylon,M/Persia,Greece and Rome), "there is not" mentioned a woman sitting on them. In Revelation 17 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm "there is a woman" on them.

Rome existed at the time that the Revelation was given to John and so cannot be whom received the deadly wound and was in the Pit in Rev. 17:8...

The Catholic Church did not exist "prior to" the writing of Rev. 17:8 and so it could not have received an deadly wound prior to Rev.17:8's timeline and so then it is not the one that ascends up out of the pit ,,that is if the one that received the wound and the beast that was,was not yet is are one and the same.

The The United States did not exist prior to Rev.17:8 nor did Muhammad nor the Quran and so are not the one that was, was not yet is, who received an wound and was to ascend. ,Rome,Egypt,Greece,Assyria,Persia,Babylon all were in existence at the time Revelation 17:8 was written https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm and the ten horns(nor the little horn) had received theirs yet https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-12.htm and so they are not who Rev. 17:8 is speaking of.

Who is it that existed prior to the Revelation that no longer existed as if it had a deadly wound that could have an image of it made when the two horned beast says "let us make an image of the beast" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-14.htm ?
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No, the whore is mentioned in great detail in the writings of the prophets for she is Jerusalem and all those kingdoms ravished her and loved her not.
 
iamsoandso said:
In Daniel's beast( Babylon,M/Persia,Greece and Rome), "there is not" mentioned a woman sitting on them. In Revelation 17 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm "there is a woman" on them.
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Well, neither is there a woman mentioned in the vision of the prophetic statue in Daniel 2 that outlines the same kingdoms of the world; the same exact timeline from Babylon through to the Messiah's kingdom. In that vision, there was no mention of a "man of sin" either.

Statue Vision:
- Babylon
- M/Persia
- Greece
- Rome
- 10 toes (Divided Rome / 10 kingdoms clay mixture)
- Messiah's kingdom (stone)

Beasts Vision:
- Babylon
- M/Persia
- Greece
- Rome
- 10 horns (Divided Rome 10 Kingdoms)
- Little-horn (a smaller kingdom that removes 3 kingdoms; speaks blasphemy; persecutes saints for a time, times, and half)
- Messiah's kingdom (son of man on cloud)

...We wouldn't say the statue vision isn't describing the same timeline as the vision of the beasts simply because the little horn isn't mentioned in the statue vision. We realize that it's an added detail. Likewise, each prophetic vision isn't limited to the information given but provides progressively more information meant to add to the previous visions describing the same timeline, "here a little, there a little", until a full picture is revealed.

For instance, in the vision of the "beast from the sea" in Revelation 13 we have a single beast described:

Revelation 13 vision:
- Single Beast rising from the sea
- Has 7 heads and 10 horns
- Looked like a leopard
- Feet like a bear
- Mouth of a lion

Note that there are no more beasts mentioned after the 4th beast before the Messiah's (son of man) kingdom appears in Daniel's vision. We agree that the last beast in the vision is Rome, so Revelation 13's vision is expanding on details given to Daniel. It's like we're doing the pinch move on a smartphone or tablet to see more specific detail.

Daniel 7 describes the 4th beast eating the other 3 beasts and then trampling on whatever remained that it didn't eat. So in Revelation 13, we have the result: an amalgamation of all previous beasts. Even the total number of heads is the same.

Rome is the last kingdom to exist before the Messiah's kingdom in Daniel's visons...but the different forms which that kingdom takes - as well as the drama that ensues - are what the book of Revelation details.
 
With an original definition for sin representing someone who aimed at a target but missed hitting the mark; the man of sin would then represent someone who constantly misses the mark, by going altogether different directions than that what is right and proper.
Prior to the appearance of this man of misdirection, the general public (the apostasy) will likewise have less inclinations toward what is right and proper.
 
azamzimtoti said:
John's revelation was not sealed when he wrote it:

(Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.)
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The weekend is also at hand... guess we only have 2000 more years to wait for it.
 
The man of sin is Satan working in the affairs of men. He fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God was a God of the Jewish nation .

He lost his face in respect to a outward Jew by which he did masquerade, sitting in the place of God's unseen holiness. The temple an abomination of desolation was made useless when the veil was rent. The previous time period used as a parables had come to a end

The time of reformation is here. The government of God is restored to the period of Judges when God was King of kings reigning from heaven. Just as he by faith does today .

Born again believers are the temporal temple not made with human hands and were typified even before God moved them out of Egypt and displayed the tabernacle. The use of tabernacle made with human hands ended when they reached the promise land. It was not the desire of God that they build another. God gave the foolish Jews( no God in the hearts) over to perform the abomination of desolation until the veil was rent
 
garee said:
The man of sin is Satan working in the affairs of men. He fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God was a God of the Jewish nation .

He lost his face in respect to a outward Jew by which he did masquerade, sitting in the place of God's unseen holiness. The temple an abomination of desolation was made useless when the veil was rent. The previous time period used as a parables had come to a end

The time of reformation is here. The government of God is restored to the period of Judges when God was King of kings reigning from heaven. Just as he by faith does today .

Born again believers are the temporal temple not made with human hands and were typified even before God moved them out of Egypt and displayed the tabernacle. The use of tabernacle made with human hands ended when they reached the promise land. It was not the desire of God that they build another. God gave the foolish Jews( no God in the hearts) over to perform the abomination of desolation until the veil was rent
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There is so much error in your post, that it would take a couple of hours to straighten it all out. However, that would be wasted time, because, given your track record, you wouldn't learn and wouldn't accept correction anyway.
 
Dino246 said:
There is so much error in your post, that it would take a couple of hours to straighten it all out. However, that would be wasted time, because, given your track record, you wouldn't learn and wouldn't accept correction anyway.
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Thanks for the reply and your labor of love.

I can accept correction, can you? I am willing to learn, are you?

The man of sin is Satan working in the affairs of men. He is described as spirit behind the many antichrists.

The Son of man, Jesus has no power to rebuke the spirit of error.

The Lord rebuked Satan who worked in Peter causes him to deny the gospel . Saying, to Peter directed at Satan . Satan get behind me (not seen, the law of faith ) not Peter who was used in a demonstration as one of the many antichrists' that were already there .

Peter was forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man( the temporal corrupted seen) that window of opportunity closed when the Son of man vanished and returned to the unseen glory that he had with the father before the one time demonstration of the work of the father and Son the time of reformation. . No more demonstrations the work is finished
Satan still has men looking for the man of sin. When he right inside as the father of lies. Natural unconverted mankind. .

Men saying they need a man to teach them and therefore usurp the authority of the one Good, Master Teacher. The Pope a daysman is one example who stand behind the wrong source of faith, called sight. No hope needed.

No man can serve two Teaching Masters.
 
Yahshua said:
Interestingly enough, if you take a look at that word translated as "woman" it's very close to the Hebrew word for "fire". I think it was a small scribal error that changed it to "woman".

Notice the prophetic description given to Zechariah in chapter 5:

- it's a roll (or scroll)

- It flies

- It has a lead ephah (or lead container)

- which has "ish" (fire) in it and is called "wickedness"; "iniquity"

- It is sent as a curse throughout the whole world to all the thieves and those who sware falsely

- It enters into homes and consumes everything

- Carried by two "fires" with wings like a stork (a stork's wings don't flap when gliding through the air).


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I thought this was pretty amazing when I learned it. The Almighty prophesied the curse of modern warfare. one small jot.
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Please compare Ezekiel 5 which clearly does say fire with Zechariah 5 Is there a difference between the two...
 
garee said:
Thanks for the reply and your labor of love.

I can accept correction, can you? I am willing to learn, are you?

The man of sin is Satan working in the affairs of men. He is described as spirit behind the many antichrists.

The Son of man, Jesus has no power to rebuke the spirit of error.

The Lord rebuked Satan who worked in Peter causes him to deny the gospel . Saying, to Peter directed at Satan . Satan get behind me (not seen, the law of faith ) not Peter who was used in a demonstration as one of the many antichrists' that were already there .

Peter was forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man( the temporal corrupted seen) that window of opportunity closed when the Son of man vanished and returned to the unseen glory that he had with the father before the one time demonstration of the work of the father and Son the time of reformation. . No more demonstrations the work is finished
Satan still has men looking for the man of sin. When he right inside as the father of lies. Natural unconverted mankind. .

Men saying they need a man to teach them and therefore usurp the authority of the one Good, Master Teacher. The Pope a daysman is one example who stand behind the wrong source of faith, called sight. No hope needed.

No man can serve two Teaching Masters.
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Do you get some strange pleasure out of repeating yourself? There is nothing new in this post; just the same errors you've already written, some dozens of times.
 
Dino246 said:
Do you get some strange pleasure out of repeating yourself? There is nothing new in this post; just the same errors you've already written, some dozens of times.
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Grammar errors? Do you get some strange pleasure out of repeating yourself?

it would seem to me some like the foolish Galatians can do foolish things

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

The man of sin is Satan working in the affairs of men. He is described as spirit of the anchrist ( another teacher) behind the many antichrists those he works in . The god of this world the man of sin.
 
Blain said:
Ah I see, So then that theory about it representing kingdoms was incorrect.
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You're partially correct. The antichrist/beast will be given authority to rule over the entire earth. The ten kings will give their power and authority to him.

The four kingdoms are represented as beasts in Daniel:

The head of Gold = Babylon

The arms and chest of silver = Medo/Persia

The belly and thighs of bronze = Greece

The legs of iron = Rome

The ten toed kingdom of partly baked clay and iron = The last day kingdom, with the ten toes representing those ten kings. These are synonymous with the Rock (Jesus) that falls on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on the threshing floor, with the wind blowing it away never to be found again. This will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Since the statue represents all human government, then it being smashed represents Jesus dismantling human government, never to be found again. Then the Rock that falls on the feet of the statue becomes a huge mountain and fills the entire earth, which is referring to Jesus millennial kingdom. (See Daniel 2:31-45)
 
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