A discussion of the nearness of the endtimes
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What's interesting, Their Bible and ours have similarities. Both believe in God (even the language Jesus factually spoke - Aramaic - calls God Alaha - short for Allah) (John 1:1
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ܒܪܫܝܬ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܡܠܬܐ ܘܗܘ ܡܠܬܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܠܘܬ ܐܠܗܐ ܘܐܠܗܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܗܘ ܡܠܬܐ
1 In the beginning there was The Miltha {The Word}, and He, The Miltha {The Word}, was with Alaha {God}. And Alaha {God} Himself was The Miltha {The Word}.),
Both Bibles list God's Creation, both have Adam and Eve, both list Father Abraham, both have Jesus.
And even in our own Bible, after Sarah dies, Abraham remarried a Muslim woman named Keturah and has several children with her:
(Genesis 25:1
Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
Genesis 25:4
And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah.
1 Chronicles 1:32
Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
1 Chronicles 1:33
And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah.
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Now look at the sons names and we see them all throughout our Bible:
Best example is Midian:
The Burning Bush and Moses father n law were from Midian called Midianites.
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Remember, the Burning Bush?
That's set in Midian (Muslim Territory)
And our own God "I AM" told Moses to remove his shoes because he was standing on HOLY GROUND in Muslim territory).
The Jews and Muslims are literally BLOOD RELATED through Abraham and his sons even Ishmael!
The Muslims know of God because Abraham taught them.
In fact, Abraham was born in the land today is known as IRAN/IRAQ!
It's all Mesopotamia.
This is why the Muslims believe Israel is theirs, because of Father Abraham!
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Unfortunately they would be dead wrong about believing that Israel is theirs. A fact of which they will soon understand. The sons of Ishmael should receive Christ and be counted among those who DO receive the inheritance. Even if they lose everything of this world.
Gal 4:23
The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
Gal 4:28-31
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Gal 4:23
The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
Gal 4:28-31
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
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It's interesting, because God removed Adam/Eve from the Garden because He said, they are now like us. And then said, if they eat the Tree of Life they will live forever. And after eating of the Tree of Knowledge, they hid themselves because they were naked. It's odd to think they were ignorant, because Adam watched Eve eat and he knew she was disobeying. So they had a sense from right and wrong before eating of the Tree. I believe the biggest difference was God knew they made a decision to disobey Him, which proves they already had the ability to think and understand between right and wrong.
Basically, they knew what consequences were in terms of disobeying, but they did not know what that meant on a personal intimate level. They had word knowledge but no experience to relate it to.
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I was thinking the other day that it meant their mind was now aware of the negatives or evil whereas they didn't have that knowledge before, that's why God said who told you, you were naked. Does it actually say that they disobeyed or was God warning them, don't do that as your mind will now be subject to evil thinking. Now generations and generations later our minds contain alot of negatives that is why we need to renew it to the Word of God. Anyway sorry @Blain, I was changing your OP.
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Also as for your question to biker if I may add my two cents they knew they would die but what they didn't know was how it would affect their mindset. Before the fruit they were like children, innocent and pure they had no inkling of good and evil right or wrong but when they ate the fruit they exposed themselves to greater knowledge and not all knowledge is worth knowing
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I enjoy how you are/were been thinking towards the Word of God. It really is a combination of things that took place in the Garden. For some reason, I view it like someone with the knowledge of operating a machine vs someone who has only read a book about operating a machine. Up to the point before eating from the Tree, they only knew God said, No, you will surely die. But until they experienced what that literally meant, it really did not mean much to them.
It's like putting protective covers on plug outlets because no matter how many times you tell your baby "no," they still want to stick something into those outlets.
And I think the "Negative portion" is disobeying brings upon you punishment. Ultimately, Adam and Eve's punishment was to eventually die. Adam was kicked out of a Garden that provided for him and now he had to plant seed/hunt to eat. Eve, the Mother of all human life, she now experienced pain and labor in childbearing. Everything went from being given to them, to they work their fingers to the bone till they grow old and die.
I like to be able to buy things. But I hate the fact that money just don't grow on a tree for me and I have to work for it. That simple act of disobedience did bring a "Negative Reaction" to life.
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You have made some seriously incorrect remarks about the Koran vs the Bible. People should understand that the Koran is A DELIBERATE DISTORTION of the Bible.
There were no "Muslim" women at that time, since there was no Koran, no Mohammad, and no Islam until about 600 AD.
The Ishmaelites, the Edomites, the Moabites, and the Ammonites were all descended from Abraham, AND ALL HATED the Israelites. That hatred between Arabs and Jews remains to this day.
Muslims do NOT have the same God as Christians or as Abraham. Their god Allah was originally a pagan deity -- the moon god. And Abraham was never in Mecca with Ishmael building the Ka'aba. Mohammad was familiar with the Bible, yet the Koran is at odds with both Christians and Jews.
This is GROSSLY in error. Muslims conquered Palestine in around the 7th century and then later around the 12th century. But by the 20th century Palestine was a British Mandate and under the 1917 Balfour Declaration a Jewish national home was established. Muslims and Arabs have no right to the land of Israel, since God gave it to the israelites under the Abrahamic Covenant. Even the visit of Mohammad to Jerusalem is based upon legend. And the Palestinians have rejected every peace proposal, since they wish to maintain permanent hostilities against Israel.
There were no "Muslim" women at that time, since there was no Koran, no Mohammad, and no Islam until about 600 AD.
The Ishmaelites, the Edomites, the Moabites, and the Ammonites were all descended from Abraham, AND ALL HATED the Israelites. That hatred between Arabs and Jews remains to this day.
Muslims do NOT have the same God as Christians or as Abraham. Their god Allah was originally a pagan deity -- the moon god. And Abraham was never in Mecca with Ishmael building the Ka'aba. Mohammad was familiar with the Bible, yet the Koran is at odds with both Christians and Jews.
This is GROSSLY in error. Muslims conquered Palestine in around the 7th century and then later around the 12th century. But by the 20th century Palestine was a British Mandate and under the 1917 Balfour Declaration a Jewish national home was established. Muslims and Arabs have no right to the land of Israel, since God gave it to the israelites under the Abrahamic Covenant. Even the visit of Mohammad to Jerusalem is based upon legend. And the Palestinians have rejected every peace proposal, since they wish to maintain permanent hostilities against Israel.
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If you notice, prophecy becomes understood after fulfillment, not before. Ony in about 11 or 12 OT cases did it ever happen as written. The flood is an example.
We know the Great Tribulation happened and understood the prophecy. So this makes a double fulfillment impossible with lots of false prophecy today based on it. Another temple is an example of this.
We know the Great Tribulation happened and understood the prophecy. So this makes a double fulfillment impossible with lots of false prophecy today based on it. Another temple is an example of this.
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Today the Amil works best when looking at it from the signified understanding of Revelation.
He will come like a thief in the night like in the days of Noah. We can watch like Noah but the fact it will be by faith remains.
There is nothing that does have to be fulfilled other than the end, death. The closing of the ressurection or rapture door.
The letter of the law "death" is cast into the judgment fire of God. Never to rise and condemn through the sufferings of hell another entire creation ever again .
We walk by faith. .
He will come like a thief in the night like in the days of Noah. We can watch like Noah but the fact it will be by faith remains.
There is nothing that does have to be fulfilled other than the end, death. The closing of the ressurection or rapture door.
The letter of the law "death" is cast into the judgment fire of God. Never to rise and condemn through the sufferings of hell another entire creation ever again .
We walk by faith. .
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Of course, Jesus can come at any time.
I noticed this recently when I was reading Ezekiel 38 because I've heard a lot of people feel that the events in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are lining up for Israel to be attacked soon.
Ezekiel 38: 10 Thus says the Lord God: It shall happen in that day, that things shall come into your mind, and you shall devise an evil device: 11 and you shall say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to those who are at rest, who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates.
Unwalled villages? No bars or gates? That certainly doesn't sound like Israel today!
I noticed this recently when I was reading Ezekiel 38 because I've heard a lot of people feel that the events in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are lining up for Israel to be attacked soon.
Ezekiel 38: 10 Thus says the Lord God: It shall happen in that day, that things shall come into your mind, and you shall devise an evil device: 11 and you shall say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to those who are at rest, who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates.
Unwalled villages? No bars or gates? That certainly doesn't sound like Israel today!
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We must be careful how we hear what the Spirit says to the churches, us.
It is understood by faith before it appears. The faith of Christ working in Noah moved Noah. Noah by faith was watching for it. Those who did drown are typified as having no faith. It does not mean none did faith. Just as not all in the ark had faith . It was the spiritual unseen seed he was defending. Not separating the goats from the lambs. The last day is ahead.
The faithless Jew (no God in their heart) are used to represent mankind as a whole . In that way (prophecy becomes understood after fulfillment, not before) they having no faith made Jesus into a circus seal. . . a side show.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
I would think in that way it helped me understand why Jesus lovingly commanded the disciple to "wonder not," when musing on the "greatest miracle" our new birth. It was like at first are you serious wonder not ?
Many today it would seem love their wonderments as oral traditions.
One thing is there is a distinction in the use of the word "sign" and the phrase "sign and wonder". (Sign as a wonder).
Where sign can be signs of time or periods of time. Like Kings in Israel until the time of reformation.
Wonders can act as a false source of faith . When Israel was led out of Egypt many believers were trusting the revelation given to Abraham that spoke of the four hundred year time period as a sign they would be delivered .
The rebel's who had no faith coming from prophecy where moved by the hand of God. Having to kill their first born as a form of motivation opening up the way of faith .
Wondering is like limbo. Prophecy for believers. The source of our living hope.
It is understood by faith before it appears. The faith of Christ working in Noah moved Noah. Noah by faith was watching for it. Those who did drown are typified as having no faith. It does not mean none did faith. Just as not all in the ark had faith . It was the spiritual unseen seed he was defending. Not separating the goats from the lambs. The last day is ahead.
The faithless Jew (no God in their heart) are used to represent mankind as a whole . In that way (prophecy becomes understood after fulfillment, not before) they having no faith made Jesus into a circus seal. . . a side show.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
I would think in that way it helped me understand why Jesus lovingly commanded the disciple to "wonder not," when musing on the "greatest miracle" our new birth. It was like at first are you serious wonder not ?
Many today it would seem love their wonderments as oral traditions.
One thing is there is a distinction in the use of the word "sign" and the phrase "sign and wonder". (Sign as a wonder).
Where sign can be signs of time or periods of time. Like Kings in Israel until the time of reformation.
Wonders can act as a false source of faith . When Israel was led out of Egypt many believers were trusting the revelation given to Abraham that spoke of the four hundred year time period as a sign they would be delivered .
The rebel's who had no faith coming from prophecy where moved by the hand of God. Having to kill their first born as a form of motivation opening up the way of faith .
Wondering is like limbo. Prophecy for believers. The source of our living hope.
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Looks like the beautiful city below named after her founder and husband, Christ.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21;22-23
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21;22-23
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The Moslems do not call the Koran a "bible". The "god" in whom Muslims believe is clearly different from the God of the Bible. The "Jesus" of the Koran is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Don't confuse "Muslims" with non-Israelite peoples of the middle East. Abraham was not in "Muslim territory"; that's an anachronism, like saying The Roman Empire conquered the British Empire. Keturah was not a 'Muslim" woman; there were no "Muslims" in Abraham's day, and would not be for another twenty-five hundred years.
Don't confuse "Muslims" with non-Israelite peoples of the middle East. Abraham was not in "Muslim territory"; that's an anachronism, like saying The Roman Empire conquered the British Empire. Keturah was not a 'Muslim" woman; there were no "Muslims" in Abraham's day, and would not be for another twenty-five hundred years.
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