nephilim

Scribe · May 9, 2020

It seems that the more natural interpretation of 2 Peter 2 in its immediate context is that of how God knows how to reserve the wicked for judgement when it may seem by our limited understanding that he is not judging sin or that he is slow about it. He is reminding us of THREE separate instances in the past when God has revealed judgment. 1) The angels that sinned (satan and the angels that rebelled with him), casting them out of heaven and binding them in chains of darkness (spiritual darkness, principalities and powers in the kingdom of darkness that are limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us) 2) The wicked in the days of Noah and the flood he brought was judgment, 3) how he rained fire on Sodom and Gomorrah for their wickedness, which was a judgment. For those who think that God does not judge sin, remember these instances where he has revealed his wrath and realize that he is reserving a final judgment that will wipe out all wickedness and consider this current time the long-suffering grace of God to allow you to repent and be on the side of righteousness as Noah was when the final judgments are poured out on the earth.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

reneweddaybyday · May 9, 2020

Scribe said:

Please read the post to which I was responding. Here is what garee believes concerning the men of renown of Gen 6:4:

"Nephillim are simply men of renown . Giants of faith .Never used to support evil" (see Post #571).

Do you believe the nephilim were "giants of faith"?

If you believe nephilim were "giants of faith", then you believe God wiped out believers in the flood ... a belief which is wholly unsupported by Scripture.

Scribe said:

Some angels are bound in chains ... not running loose on the earth while "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

There are angels which are bound in chains of darkness and they will be let loose for a season at some point in the future ... see Rev 9. These angels will be let loose upon the earth and when they are, they will torment mankind and men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them (Rev 9:6) ... and these angels have a king whose name is Abbadon (Hebrew) / Appollyon (Greek) - Rev 9:11.

Also see Luke 8:31 where demons begged the Lord Jesus Christ not to send them into the abyss (another name for the bottomless pit where angels are kept in chains).

In Jude 1:6 we read that the angels which are kept in chains are angels which kept not their first estate — And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Something demonic went on in days of Noah which caused God to flood the earth in judgment and in days of Sodom/Gomorrha which caused God to hail fire and brimstone from heaven ... and imprison under chains of darkness those angels which kept not their first estate.

And please note, while some angels are currently being held in the chains under darkness, satan and other demons are still roaming the earth, and, yes, I am in agreement that they are "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

However, satan and his minions who roam the earth are not bound in chains under darkness like those others who kept not their first estate.

bojack · May 9, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

Please read the post to which I was responding. Here is what garee believes concerning the men of renown of Gen 6:4:

"Nephillim are simply men of renown . Giants of faith .Never used to support evil" (see Post #571).

Do you believe the nephilim were "giants of faith"?

If you believe nephilim were "giants of faith", then you believe God wiped out believers in the flood ... a belief which is wholly unsupported by Scripture.

Some angels are bound in chains ... not running loose on the earth while "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

There are angels which are bound in chains of darkness and they will be let loose for a season at some point in the future ... see Rev 9. These angels will be let loose upon the earth and when they are, they will torment mankind and men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them (Rev 9:6) ... and these angels have a king whose name is Abbadon (Hebrew) / Appollyon (Greek) - Rev 9:11.

Also see Luke 8:31 where demons begged the Lord Jesus Christ not to send them into the abyss (another name for the bottomless pit where angels are kept in chains).

In Jude 1:6 we read that the angels which are kept in chains are angels which kept not their first estate — And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Something demonic went on in days of Noah which caused God to flood the earth in judgment and in days of Sodom/Gomorrha which caused God to hail fire and brimstone from heaven ... and imprison under chains of darkness those angels which kept not their first estate.

And please note, while some angels are currently being held in the chains under darkness, satan and other demons are still roaming the earth, and, yes, I am in agreement that they are "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

However, satan and his minions who roam the earth are not bound in chains under darkness like those others who kept not their first estate.

God stated why He would flood the earth .. Sons of God were men who turned to idolatry from God, all except Noah ..
Are you saying Satan and all his fallen has kept their first estate ? What was their first estate ?

Hungry · May 9, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

Please read the post to which I was responding. Here is what garee believes concerning the men of renown of Gen 6:4:

"Nephillim are simply men of renown . Giants of faith .Never used to support evil" (see Post #571).

Do you believe the nephilim were "giants of faith"?

If you believe nephilim were "giants of faith", then you believe God wiped out believers in the flood ... a belief which is wholly unsupported by Scripture.

Some angels are bound in chains ... not running loose on the earth while "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

There are angels which are bound in chains of darkness and they will be let loose for a season at some point in the future ... see Rev 9. These angels will be let loose upon the earth and when they are, they will torment mankind and men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them (Rev 9:6) ... and these angels have a king whose name is Abbadon (Hebrew) / Appollyon (Greek) - Rev 9:11.

Also see Luke 8:31 where demons begged the Lord Jesus Christ not to send them into the abyss (another name for the bottomless pit where angels are kept in chains).

In Jude 1:6 we read that the angels which are kept in chains are angels which kept not their first estate — And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Something demonic went on in days of Noah which caused God to flood the earth in judgment and in days of Sodom/Gomorrha which caused God to hail fire and brimstone from heaven ... and imprison under chains of darkness those angels which kept not their first estate.

And please note, while some angels are currently being held in the chains under darkness, satan and other demons are still roaming the earth, and, yes, I am in agreement that they are "limited as to what they can do to us or how they can interact with us".

However, satan and his minions who roam the earth are not bound in chains under darkness like those others who kept not their first estate.

So, you think the locusts that terrorize men from the “bottomless pit” are the sons of God who took human wives and left their first estate?

garee · May 9, 2020

jaybird88 said:

It would seem the word renown can be applied to son of God the born believers as well as sons or daughters of men .

The two must be divided. (1)of men. all of mankind (2) of God born from above

The word of identifies the progenitor whether it is of the flesh(1) or the Spirit (2).

The prefix does not determine the subject .

By "of men" or "of God" the birth father is identified .Satan like many words he uses it to deceive by turning things upside down as if things were inspired from earth.

Of defines which camp the men of renown are from

Daughter of men are used to represent all of mankind Eve the mother

Two kind of mothers or brides .Where Satan would say one. (1) of mankind

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Galatians 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Simply a warning of not being unevenly yoked with "children of men" . The spiritual seed "children of God "(2) not seen was being preserved not the flesh (1)

Psalm 14:2The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Psalm 21:10Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

Psalm 36:7How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 45:2hou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

Psalm 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

reneweddaybyday · May 9, 2020

bojack said:

Jude 1:6 states:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4 states:

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Clearly some angels did something which caused God to deliver them into chains of darkness.

Then we have satan and other of his minions:

Concerning satan, Job states:

Job 1:6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:1-2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

1 Peter 5:8 states:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Clearly there are some angels which God is keeping in chains under darkness and others (including satan) are allowed to roam (within limits).

reneweddaybyday · May 9, 2020

Hungry said:

read Rev 9 ... we've got Abaddon / Apollyon, who is king over whatever was loosed from the bottomless pit:

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Abaddon / Apollyon = destroying angel. Abaddon/Apollyon lets loose something out of the bottomless pit which causes men to want to die.

then we've got Rev 11:

Revelation11:7 And when they [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

then Rev 17:

Revelation17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

So we know that in end times, there shall be demonic activity on the earth which is directly related to some angels which are currently in the bottomless pit. And when these demons are loosed, there is havoc on the earth.

Jesus described the time of this demonic activity:

Matthew 24:21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

then we've got satan bound for a thousand years:

Revelation 20:

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

then satan is loosed again to meet his final reckoning:

Revelation 20:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So, are the angels which kept not their first estate and which God imprisoned in chains of darkness loosed during the endtime tribulation?

I believe they could be the same. These demons appear to be the worst of the lot while other demons are allowed to roam (within certain limitations).

However, if you can show me that they are not the same, I would be interested in reading the Scripture you provide.

Thanks.

Hungry · May 10, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

read Rev 9 ... we've got Abaddon / Apollyon, who is king over whatever was loosed from the bottomless pit:

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Abaddon / Apollyon = destroying angel. Abaddon/Apollyon lets loose something out of the bottomless pit which causes men to want to die.

then we've got Rev 11:

Revelation11:7 And when they [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

then Rev 17:

Revelation17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

So we know that in end times, there shall be demonic activity on the earth which is directly related to some angels which are currently in the bottomless pit. And when these demons are loosed, there is havoc on the earth.

Jesus described the time of this demonic activity:

Matthew 24:21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

then we've got satan bound for a thousand years:

Revelation 20:

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

then satan is loosed again to meet his final reckoning:

Revelation 20:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So, are the angels which kept not their first estate and which God imprisoned in chains of darkness loosed during the endtime tribulation?

I believe they could be the same. These demons appear to be the worst of the lot while other demons are allowed to roam (within certain limitations).

However, if you can show me that they are not the same, I would be interested in reading the Scripture you provide.

Thanks.

You haven’t shown any relationship between the sons of God and locusts. In Jude it just says they were chained in darkness until judgement on the Great Day. It says nothing about these beings that procreated with women being locust like creatures with stingers that cause pain for 5 months.

Hungry · May 10, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

read Rev 9 ... we've got Abaddon / Apollyon, who is king over whatever was loosed from the bottomless pit:

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Abaddon / Apollyon = destroying angel. Abaddon/Apollyon lets loose something out of the bottomless pit which causes men to want to die.

then we've got Rev 11:

Revelation11:7 And when they [the two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

then Rev 17:

Revelation17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

So we know that in end times, there shall be demonic activity on the earth which is directly related to some angels which are currently in the bottomless pit. And when these demons are loosed, there is havoc on the earth.

Jesus described the time of this demonic activity:

Matthew 24:21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

then we've got satan bound for a thousand years:

Revelation 20:

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

then satan is loosed again to meet his final reckoning:

Revelation 20:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So, are the angels which kept not their first estate and which God imprisoned in chains of darkness loosed during the endtime tribulation?

I believe they could be the same. These demons appear to be the worst of the lot while other demons are allowed to roam (within certain limitations).

However, if you can show me that they are not the same, I would be interested in reading the Scripture you provide.

Thanks.

Also it doesn’t declare that the sons of God followed Apollo either.

Scribe · May 10, 2020

Hungry said:

This just gets stranger and stranger. (no pun on strange flesh intended)

bojack · May 10, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

It was a simple question .. What was the angels created purpose ? And what was their first estate and habitation ? They sinned and were cast down from heaven , right ? Nowhere are we told what sin they committed .. The book of Enoch says what they thought but I don't believe the book of Enoch .. The book of Enoch states that the nephilim were 450' tall ''each'' .. That alone disqualifies Enoch as credible and takes the blame away from mankind imo .. The rest you have to force in .. There's no need to believe jewish fables .. Once Methuselah died there was no one left but Noah worth saving .. And if as you say that the nephillim was the offspring of ''fallen angels'' then how did they make it to this side of the flood ? I can make up stuff too .. I could say that when Methuselah died the first raindrop of the first rain hit his dead body between the eyes as he hit the ground dead .. The Ark was loaded and ready to go ..

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

jaybird88 · May 10, 2020

bojack said:

there not Jewish "fables" the story of sky people coming down from the heavens, mating with humans and producing giants is common everywhere in the ancient world. i wonder how people all over the world, who never met each other, ended up with the same story??

we dont know what Enoch says because we dont have the original to compare, the translations vary, some say 450 some say 4500, etc. its more than likely a translation issue. amos says the giants were tall as ceders, ceders are 100 - 150".
first estate would be the heavens, the sin would be lots of things, Enoch explains the sins in more detail but some reject Enoch and choose to remain in ignorance. what did Plato say about people not coming out of the cave?

Benadam · May 10, 2020

First Nephilim. He introduces polygamy and ever increasing violence.

Genesis 4
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

So Jesus taught we must forgive seventy and sevenfold.

garee · May 10, 2020

reneweddaybyday said:

He was talking about the wickedness of mankind male and female or sinners . The discussion had nothing to do with lying spirits that have no form DNA. ..Hollywood gives them DNA.

All of the information is understood by looking at the opening verse . When men ( Mankind, the key to understanding the chapter. ) Not just men were born .The pattern is it take a man and woman . Daughters of men is simply saying mankind .Eve the mother .

Of God, or of men . No limbo in between ..

Genesis 6:1-5 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Not born unto gigantic demons )That the sons of God (not sons of mankind but born from above.) saw the daughters of men( mankind) that they were fair; and they took them wives (or husbands) of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (mandkind not sons of God) for that he also is flesh: (not as sons of God a new spirit) yet his (mankind) days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (born from above of God not born of daughters of men) came in unto the daughters of men,(mankind) and they bare children to them, (God designed men and woman procreate , mankind ) the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man (mankind) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Of or coming from (progenitor). Two kind of seeds being discussed in those verses . One is not seen it dwells in those seen .the other the ones God was preserving. Don't be unevenly yoked.

A distinction must be made between the "things of mankind" and "those of God" or the fall in the garden of Eden will continue over and over.

garee · May 10, 2020

The first estate was walking in agreement with God's word. That ended it would seem on the third day. God's Spirit found pride in the heart that messenger who used creation, the things seen to rob God, who is not a man, of glory .

Messages as prophecy of God are sent in different manners . God is not a man. The written law would seem to establish the different manners for hearing God .

Mankind is one of the manners he sent his messages( prophecy the living word) by .

In the last days God sent messages through his prophet and high apostle Jesus. A living parable, a perfect example or demonstration . Showing the work of the father the unseen Lord and Master unfolding His will to mankind.

Hebrews 1:1-3 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) In the past God spoke to our people through the prophets. He spoke to them many times and in many different ways. And now in these last days, God has spoken to us again through his Son. He made the whole world through his Son. And he has chosen his Son to have all things. The Son shows the glory of God. He is a perfect copy of God’s nature, and he holds everything together by his powerful command. The Son made people clean from their sins. Then he sat down at the right side of God, the Great One in heaven.

God's word is a living messenger as it is written. The hearing of it and believing as it works in us . . . . is not of ourselves (corrupted mankind) .

God's Holy Spirit can use a donkey to bring his prophecy to show he is not served by the corrupted things seen .

Every time the father mediated strength to the Son, the Son displayed the work of the father that worked in Him strengthening Him. Empowering the Son of man in order to finish the work he began in him .

The one government of perfect peace.

You could say a vision sent to the mind of Jesus directly .The Word is the living mediator ..In that way the word spoken to the Son man form the father reveals being demonstrated by the flesh. The word became flesh. The promised demonstration.

Not of the flesh .God is not a man. No power attributed to the corrupted flesh and blood.(mankind) But the power that give it new spirit life. .

Lying spirits come from the father of lies (legion) the opposing spirit of truth.

Luke 22:42-44 King James Version (KJV) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

An angel above is simply a message sent by the will of God or you could say hand .He uses the word hand to describe a will, and finger his etching tool .

There was no mediator between that labor of love. It reward is the mediator I would think .

God is not a man .

bojack · May 10, 2020

jaybird88 said:

there not Jewish "fables" the story of sky people coming down from the heavens, mating with humans and producing giants is common everywhere in the ancient world. i wonder how people all over the world, who never met each other, ended up with the same story??

we dont know what Enoch says because we dont have the original to compare, the translations vary, some say 450 some say 4500, etc. its more than likely a translation issue. amos says the giants were tall as ceders, ceders are 100 - 150".
first estate would be the heavens, the sin would be lots of things, Enoch explains the sins in more detail but some reject Enoch and choose to remain in ignorance. what did Plato say about people not coming out of the cave?

Exactly , Enoch said 3000 els which is 3000 cubits which is 4500 ' tall .. It was changed to 300 cubits = 450' tall EACH ..

Dino246 · May 10, 2020

garee said:

Genesis 6:1-5 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Not born unto gigantic demons )That the sons of God (not sons of mankind but born from above.) saw the daughters of men( mankind) that they were fair; and they took them wives (or husbands) of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (mandkind not sons of God) for that he also is flesh: (not as sons of God a new spirit) yet his (mankind) days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (born from above of God not born of daughters of men) came in unto the daughters of men,(mankind) and they bare children to them, (God designed men and woman procreate , mankind ) the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man (mankind) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

This is eisegesis. You have added a bunch of commentary (opinion) among the words of Scripture, and you go on to argue as though your opinion is Scripture.

It ain't.

bojack · May 10, 2020

jaybird88 said:

Do you also believe there were people 100 ' tall ? LOLOL ..
Plato ? LOLOL ..
Face it Bro, Enoch tickles your itching ears , time to GROW UP !!!

Answer this,
It was a simple question .. What was the angels created purpose ? And what was their first estate and habitation ? They sinned and were cast down from heaven , right ? Nowhere are we told what sin they committed .. The book of Enoch says what they thought but I don't believe the book of Enoch .. The book of Enoch states that the nephilim were 450' tall ''each'' .. That alone disqualifies Enoch as credible and takes the blame away from mankind imo .. The rest you have to force in .. There's no need to believe jewish fables .. Once Methuselah died there was no one left but Noah worth saving .. And if as you say that the nephillim was the offspring of ''fallen angels'' then how did they make it to this side of the flood ? I can make up stuff too .. I could say that when Methuselah died the first raindrop of the first rain hit his dead body between the eyes as he hit the ground dead .. The Ark was loaded and ready to go ..

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

reneweddaybyday · May 10, 2020

Hungry said:

I have shown that whatever came out of the bottomless pit (described as locusts by John in Rev 9:3), had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hat his name Apollyon.

As far as whether Abaddon/Apollyon was involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim ... I believe yes. You believe no.

reneweddaybyday · May 10, 2020

bojack said:

Rev 12:10 tells us:

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If cast down from heaven, how is the accuser standing before God day and night accusing the brethren?

bojack said:

Gen 6:4 tells us:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

nephilim are called nephilim in Genesis.

And it is apparent from Gen 6:4 that there were nephilim in days of Noah, and also after that.

Whenever sons of God came in unto the daughters of men the result was nephilim. And Scripture refers to nephilim under various terms.

nephilim also appear in Numbers 13:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

These nephilim are referred to as anakims.

Then we also have rephaims. In Deut we read:

Deuteronomy 2:20-21 (That also was accounted a land of giants (Hebrew rapha'): giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims …

bojack said:

Did God "make up stuff"? God tells us about the nephilim, the anakim, the rephaim, the emim, the zamzummim, etc., etc.

God doesn’t tell us all He knows about these evil, wicked offspring.

However, God does tell us what He wants us to know about them. They were evil, wicked, unredeemable. God’s remedy was to destroy them from off the face of the earth.

And for some reason, angels were chained due to whatever activity they were involved in which resulted in nephilim, anakim, rephaim, emim, zamzummim, etc., etc.

Yet God allowed (and still allows) satan and his minions to roam about the earth, to accuse the brethren day and night before Him.

There is a day coming when satan will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 20:10) and we will live on a new heaven and new earth, all tears wiped away, the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it and we shall serve ... we shall see His face and have His name in our foreheads.

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