What is the bible?
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2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
inspiration, theopneustos (theos God Pneuo - to breathe) thus ALL scripture are the spoken, or breathed words of God.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
inspiration, theopneustos (theos God Pneuo - to breathe) thus ALL scripture are the spoken, or breathed words of God.
That is not the voice of God!
I have never, not in any way of form, ever said that scripture is not inspired by and of God, nor that it is not from the Holy Spirit.
So are you saying that the only way that God will speak to us is through reading scripture? If He does speak to us through scripture, it is because He chooses to do so, not because we are reading scripture.
I very strongly disagree with you.
I have never, not in any way of form, ever said that scripture is not inspired by and of God, nor that it is not from the Holy Spirit.
So are you saying that the only way that God will speak to us is through reading scripture? If He does speak to us through scripture, it is because He chooses to do so, not because we are reading scripture.
I very strongly disagree with you.
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Revlelation Chapter 1 Verses 1 through 3.
God also speaks to me while I pray, the verses are to numerous to list.
God speaks to me as I study the Bible and Pray.
You have your'e own methods of hearing from God and I have mine.
There is no need to discredit or attack the Bible, we all stand before God on judgment day alone, we will find out then.
God also speaks to me while I pray, the verses are to numerous to list.
God speaks to me as I study the Bible and Pray.
You have your'e own methods of hearing from God and I have mine.
There is no need to discredit or attack the Bible, we all stand before God on judgment day alone, we will find out then.
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Is God willing that anyone should parish?? If you said no. then you would know God is not willing that anyone would misinterpret his word. Yet people still do.
What does God say about scripture.
Acts 18:28
for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.
Romans 1:2
which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,
Romans 15:4
For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
Romans 16:26
but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—
1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
I could go on and on, But should not have to. Paul and Jesus himself held scripture up as supreme authority. I chose to go with them. You do whatever it is you feel you have to do.
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Because your line of thinking that the Bible is not held equal to Gods word is a dangerous view. and would allow people to believe anything they want, And anyone to say they heard from God and make a prophetic announcement saying ti was from God with no scripture to prove it was not from God. and what the church would have would be utter chaos worst than we have today.
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you guys might find this interesting...http://podcast.fightingforthefaith.com/fftf/F4F012210.mp3
Very strange. I never said that the bible was not God's word.
Bit just fro grins, we have more bibles today than ever before, with more people who cam actually read than at any time in history, and the church is more divided than ever.
Our unity is not from the bible, nor is our faith. Our unity is from the Holy Spirit, as is our faith. It also is the gift of God.
If you don't believe that, then you don't even believe the bible itself.
Even the devil, when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness used scripture as a temptation. Jesus defeated the devil not with scripture alone, bit with the Holy Spirit's leading in the words of scripture. We can overcome in the same way, and only in the same way, that is, being lead in the use of scripture by the Holy Spirit.
Now, you can call me a heretic for this stance if you wish, and say that I am attacking the bible, but all I am really doing is attacking how we use, or rather misuse the bible.
Seems to me that I have more reverence for scripture than you, since I am unwilling to even use scripture without God's leading. I am not worthy.
Bit just fro grins, we have more bibles today than ever before, with more people who cam actually read than at any time in history, and the church is more divided than ever.
Our unity is not from the bible, nor is our faith. Our unity is from the Holy Spirit, as is our faith. It also is the gift of God.
If you don't believe that, then you don't even believe the bible itself.
Even the devil, when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness used scripture as a temptation. Jesus defeated the devil not with scripture alone, bit with the Holy Spirit's leading in the words of scripture. We can overcome in the same way, and only in the same way, that is, being lead in the use of scripture by the Holy Spirit.
Now, you can call me a heretic for this stance if you wish, and say that I am attacking the bible, but all I am really doing is attacking how we use, or rather misuse the bible.
Seems to me that I have more reverence for scripture than you, since I am unwilling to even use scripture without God's leading. I am not worthy.
Well you are half right. We, that is, Christians, caused the divisions. When has mankind ever
Put his hand on anything without making a mess of it.
And truthfully, we need to grow up and realize that devotion to scripture is not devotion to God.
What heretics? Oh, you mean those who believe in a spiritual relationship with God.
Guess you better count me in that group. Seems that I claim to know God, to talk to Him just as He talks to me.
Put his hand on anything without making a mess of it.
And truthfully, we need to grow up and realize that devotion to scripture is not devotion to God.
What heretics? Oh, you mean those who believe in a spiritual relationship with God.
Guess you better count me in that group. Seems that I claim to know God, to talk to Him just as He talks to me.
I believe that while one is reading or studying or meditating onand in scriptures that they can be practicing devotion to God, but I cannt say that devotion to scripture is devotion to God because He is not scripture. I am convinced that much of the conflict we see here is because so many equate scripture with God. And if not in so many words, then consider that for most of Christianity, scripture is the only valid form of knowing God's will, heart, plan, desires. In other words, we are to have a relationship with God that is not personal, but rather structured by what we know from scripture. And many times we cannot get even two to agree in what scripture means in even the most basic of doctrines. I just do not believe that He works this way.
I read scripture every day. I read not to gain knowledge, hidden or otherwise. No, I read scripture to hear God's voice in my spirit. This practice has become such that I hear him speaking to me in verses and often I see situations through a verse that I would have never applied on my own.
Some say that by claiming this I have placed myself above everyone else, but the truth is that I am calling everyone else into this personal relationship with Him, because it is why Jesus gave Himself up. This is not something reserved for a few super spiritual people, but this relationship with our heavenly Father is for every single person who believes in Jesus Christ. And this relationship is vital to us, even a matter of life and death. And there is no unity outside of this relationship, with each other or with God. Not even with Jesus. How did Jesus put it? That they may be one, even as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they might be perfected in unity. And the purpose of this unity is for what reason? That the world know that Thou hast loved them even as Thou hast loved Me.
We are blowing it. Isn't it obvious?
In Christ
I read scripture every day. I read not to gain knowledge, hidden or otherwise. No, I read scripture to hear God's voice in my spirit. This practice has become such that I hear him speaking to me in verses and often I see situations through a verse that I would have never applied on my own.
Some say that by claiming this I have placed myself above everyone else, but the truth is that I am calling everyone else into this personal relationship with Him, because it is why Jesus gave Himself up. This is not something reserved for a few super spiritual people, but this relationship with our heavenly Father is for every single person who believes in Jesus Christ. And this relationship is vital to us, even a matter of life and death. And there is no unity outside of this relationship, with each other or with God. Not even with Jesus. How did Jesus put it? That they may be one, even as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they might be perfected in unity. And the purpose of this unity is for what reason? That the world know that Thou hast loved them even as Thou hast loved Me.
We are blowing it. Isn't it obvious?
In Christ
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I don't disagree with your message VW. Your words on having a relationship with God is crucial. As I understand it, we meet God and relate to Him mostly through prayer. From the Catholic perspective, that is the message of saints, of those in religious orders and from those that have had communications from the Blessed Mary or Jesus or God Himself. God wants a relationship with us not just that we read His word.
I believe that this is why He created us in the first place, and even why He sent Jesus into the world to save us. He wants to shower us with His love. There is no reason to wait for when we reach heaven.
Yes, many believe that we communicat with God through prayer, and we do, but we also can communicate with Him throughout our day, what is called in the bible walking with God. Enoch did this, as did Able and Noah and many of the other saints. And even though Christ had not yet come, these were saved, but await the promise, for without us they cannot be complete.
The truth is that God is building a city to live in, and we are that city.
Have you ever read anything by sister Guyon?
We use the words personal savior, bit then we tend to hold Him at arms length. His scrutiny is rather intense, but the love we receive from Him is worth any cost.
In Christ,
Yes, many believe that we communicat with God through prayer, and we do, but we also can communicate with Him throughout our day, what is called in the bible walking with God. Enoch did this, as did Able and Noah and many of the other saints. And even though Christ had not yet come, these were saved, but await the promise, for without us they cannot be complete.
The truth is that God is building a city to live in, and we are that city.
Have you ever read anything by sister Guyon?
We use the words personal savior, bit then we tend to hold Him at arms length. His scrutiny is rather intense, but the love we receive from Him is worth any cost.
In Christ,
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No, nothing from Sister Guyon. I am only beginning to read some more about the saints and their stories/lives. I have read Mother Teresa's Come Be My Light book. She is not a saint yet though I am sure she will be soon. Anyway, just wanted to support your message that God is seeking a relationship with us and that comprises more than just reading Scripture.