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Judges1318

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dcontroversal said:
Exactly.......If we held to his skewed view we would have to say that all childless women are lost..........
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Judges1318 said:
Apparently, you do not know what a metonymy is.
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dcontroversal said:
Apparantly you do not know Jesus and or the word of God.....just another self saving cainologist....!!
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Here, I'll help you:

Definition of metonymy

: a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metonymy


"15 But women will be saved through childbearing (a metonymy for the God given duties of women)—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." - 1 Timothy 2:15

There it is again in plain words; salvation being conditional on continuing in faith. You have to continue in faith to be saved. You say you don't. You are leading people astray.
 
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Judges1318

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Lightskin said:
Judge, do you understand we’re looking

i appreciate your concern but you’re looking at it from a place where grace doesn’t exist. I believe through written Scripture that God’s grace does exist for such people.
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God knows which one of them are guilty according to Hebrews 10:26-29 and which ones aren't, and that's good enough for me.
 
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Judges1318 said:
"24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"2 ...you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

You don't get to be saved and have eternal life unless you keep what you heard in you. But you insist you can cast it off in unbelief and you are still saved. Plain scripture says you are wrong.
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Put this all in context....you do not fool anyone with your dishonest tactics.

The believing in vain would happen IF Jesus had not risen from the dead.
And Paul announces very firmly Christ did rise from the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:20
"But now Christ is risen from the dead.”


More IRONY 1 John 2:24-25 was written by John about DECEIVERS

“These things [2:18-25]30 I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you.”

Again, abiding refers to remaining or continuing in intimate fellowship to be prepared for the storms of life ... loss of salvation does not exist and therefore never mentioned in scripture!!
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
Here, I'll help you:

Definition of metonymy

: a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metonymy


"15 But women will be saved through childbearing (a metonymy for the God given duties of women)—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." - 1 Timothy 2:15

There it is again in plain words; salvation being conditional on continuing in faith. You have to continue in faith to be saved. You say you don't. You are leading people astray.
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"Saved" here is not spiritual salvation
 
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Judges1318 said:
"24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"2 ...you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

You don't get to be saved and have eternal life unless you keep what you heard in you. But you insist you can cast it off in unbelief and you are still saved. Plain scripture says you are wrong.
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Still rejecting to context of that statement is not gonna help you when you stand in the many group boasting of what you have done right before being cast into the pit pal!
 
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Judges1318 said:
Here, I'll help you:

Definition of metonymy

: a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metonymy


"15 But women will be saved through childbearing (a metonymy for the God given duties of women)—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." - 1 Timothy 2:15

There it is again in plain words; salvation being conditional on continuing in faith. You have to continue in faith to be saved. You say you don't. You are leading people astray.
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Try again deceiver.....make no mistake, your self sustained salvation is the false dogma being peddled on this thread....and it will TAKE YOU to the flaming pit!!
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Actually, believing in Once Saved, Always Saved is the perfect doctrine for those who would rather focus on "self" rather than works of righteousness.
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OSAS focuses on Jesus, not on self and it's not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. (Titus 3:5)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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dcontroversal said:
Still rejecting to context of that statement is not gonna help you when you stand in the many group boasting of what you have done right before being cast into the pit pal!
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The dude Has said you believe something not true, the same argument which has been going on for the last year, I am amazed you all still give him the time of day..
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly....lookie lookie what I have done...I have maintained my faith because Jesus was to weak and ineffectual to do it! <--His dogma in a nutshell!
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In the end, those who subscribe to self sustained/self maintained salvation are looking for this...
 
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