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The last days refers to the point in time right before the second coming of Christ when He sets up His earthly kingdom in Jerusalem to reign 1,000 years. If the Jews would have received their Messiah, the last days would have been declared, the fulfillment of Daniel’s 70th week, and the millennium kingdom ushered in.

The fulfillment of Matthew 24 did not occur. That generation is yet future.

Isaiah 2
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Micah 4
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
The verses you posted tell us what happened in the last days. I'm asking specifically for the scripture that says "the last days would be ushered in if the Jews would have received the preaching about Christ, their Messiah."
 

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The verses you posted tell us what happened in the last days. I'm asking specifically for the scripture that says "the last days would be ushered in if the Jews would have received the preaching about Christ, their Messiah."
First of all, the last days have not been fulfilled. The last days are yet future.

During the earthly life of Christ, the kingdom of heaven was at hand. If the Jews would have sought spiritual salvation, the physical would have been given. See Matthew 6.

Matthew 24 and 25 matches with the prophesies I posted. It is a future generation. Those things did not occur in 70ad.

The book of Acts transitions the hope of the physical kingdom to the present reality of the spiritual kingdom. Why? Because the Jews rejected the preaching concerning Jesus Christ. Signs and wonders were given to the early Apostles as proof to the Jews that the kingdom was at hand as prophesied. Those signs and wonders ceased with the kingdom promised and will go back into effect after the gathering of the Gentiles.

Even the disciples were seeking the kingdom.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
 
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The verses you posted tell us what happened in the last days. I'm asking specifically for the scripture that says "the last days would be ushered in if the Jews would have received the preaching about Christ, their Messiah."
Acts 3:19-21 would be one.

The other would be when Stephen saw Jesus standing, just before the critical decision made by the Sanhedrin whether or not to accept or stone him
 
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First of all, the last days have not been fulfilled. The last days are yet future.

During the earthly life of Christ, the kingdom of heaven was at hand. If the Jews would have sought spiritual salvation, the physical would have been given. See Matthew 6.

Matthew 24 and 25 matches with the prophesies I posted. It is a future generation. Those things did not occur in 70ad.

The book of Acts transitions the hope of the physical kingdom to the present reality of the spiritual kingdom. Why? Because the Jews rejected the preaching concerning Jesus Christ. Signs and wonders were given to the early Apostles as proof to the Jews that the kingdom was at hand as prophesied. Those signs and wonders ceased with the kingdom promised and will go back into effect after the gathering of the Gentiles.

Even the disciples were seeking the kingdom.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Really all we can about this is that it's your opinion that had the Jews accepted Christ then the last days would've started.
 
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Acts 3:19-21 would be one.

The other would be when Stephen saw Jesus standing, just before the critical decision made by the Sanhedrin whether or not to accept or stone him
Neither of those even hint that if the Jews had accepted Christ the last days would've came then.
 

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Really all we can about this is that it's your opinion that had the Jews accepted Christ then the last days would've started.
The kingdom was at hand. Why wasn’t the kingdom ushered in after the resurrection? The kingdom of Israel has yet to be restored.
 
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Neither of those even hint that if the Jews had accepted Christ the last days would've came then.
Peter offered the physical return of Jesus to Israel in acts 3

Remember the Holy Spirit was speaking thru him to the nation there
 

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Acts 3:19-21 would be one.

The other would be when Stephen saw Jesus standing, just before the critical decision made by the Sanhedrin whether or not to accept or stone him
The judge ready to return as we read in James 5 in the last days.
 
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The kingdom was at hand. Why wasn’t the kingdom ushered in after the resurrection? The kingdom of Israel has yet to be restored.
The kingdom came! You think just like the Jews of that day thought.You're looking for a physical kingdom when Jesus CLEARLY said the kingdom of God comes without observation.... You can't see it, it not an earthly kingdom. Why go directly against the words of Christ?

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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Peter offered the physical return of Jesus to Israel in acts 3

Remember the Holy Spirit was speaking thru him to the nation there
Which part of Acts 3? This?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
 

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The kingdom came! You think just like the Jews of that day thought.You're looking for a physical kingdom when Jesus CLEARLY said the kingdom of God comes without observation.... You can't see it, it not an earthly kingdom. Why go directly against the words of Christ?

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
You need to know the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. Yes, the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom for God is a spirit. The kingdom of heaven, however, is a physical kingdom for heaven is a physical created place. See Genesis 1:1.
 

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Which part of Acts 3? This?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
If there’s no such thing as the restoration of the kingdom of Israel, why didn’t the Lord rebuke them? Instead He told them it’s not for them to know when it’s going to come.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
 
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You need to know the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. Yes, the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom for God is a spirit. The kingdom of heaven, however, is a physical kingdom for heaven is a physical created place. See Genesis 1:1.
The only difference between the two is in your mind. Let me post another verse that you will totally blow off and change it's meaning to line up with your doctrine.

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Jesus tells the disciples that he will COME before the disciples travel to all the cities of Israel. Jesus return and the kingdom came then.
 
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Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If there’s no such thing as the restoration of the kingdom of Israel, why didn’t the Lord rebuke them? Instead He told them it’s not for them to know when it’s going to come.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
The kingdom was restored to Israel when Christ came. He took the kingdom from the wicked murdering Jews that lorded over God's people and gave it to another nation worthy of bringing in the fruits of the kingdom. That's what "rebuilding the tabernacle of David" is.

The Jews had it in ruins, to the point that God had to take it from them. This is the same wicked, Christ killing, enemies of the gospel Jews that dispensationalist worship.
 
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I can't for the life of me figure out why you guys totally ignore scripture to prop up a blatantly false religion. And I'm talking about easy to understand, straight to the point scriptures.
 

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Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The kingdom was restored to Israel when Christ came. He took the kingdom from the wicked murdering Jews that lorded over God's people and gave it to another nation worthy of bringing in the fruits of the kingdom. That's what "rebuilding the tabernacle of David" is.

The Jews had it in ruins, to the point that God had to take it from them. This is the same wicked, Christ killing, enemies of the gospel Jews that dispensationalist worship.
Yet he told those disciples...And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
 

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I can't for the life of me figure out why you guys totally ignore scripture to prop up a blatantly false religion. And I'm talking about easy to understand, straight to the point scriptures.
I guess I can easily see the falsehood behind replacement theology. God has not replaced all the physical promises to His physical people Israel and made those promises spiritual to His spiritual people the Church.
 
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Yet he told those disciples...And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
So the disciples didn't know when the kingdom would be restored.... how does that prove it didn't happen? Think about it, you are trying so hard to make scripture fit your doctrine that you're changing the meaning of the verse.
 

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So the disciples didn't know when the kingdom would be restored.... how does that prove it didn't happen? Think about it, you are trying so hard to make scripture fit your doctrine that you're changing the meaning of the verse.
Jesus’ response is future. Why didn’t Jesus tell them, hey guys, the kingdom of Israel has already been restored?

The kingdom of Israel is physical, with an earthly physical throne, the throne of David, and the rightful King upon that throne.
 
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I guess I can easily see the falsehood behind replacement theology. God has not replaced all the physical promises to His physical people Israel and made those promises spiritual to His spiritual people the Church.
146 there is no such thing as replacement theology!

God NEVER chose the flesh descendants of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. "For they are NOT ALL Israel that are of Israel". You guys dump every verse about Israel into the God hating, stiff necked rebeluous Jews that rejected and killed Christ. Why can't you get that through your head?

David was God's Israel, so was Samuel and all the rest of the Old Testament saints. The wicked unrepentetant Jews ARE NOT God's Israel, they are FLESH DESCNEDANTS of Israel... blood relatives. God's Israel are the SPIRITUAL descendants of Israel.

This is not hard to understand!