Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

[John146]

Act 26:7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

Yeah right. Do you think the 12 twelve tribes that "served God day and night" refers to the entire nation of Israel?

Are the Jews that killed Jesus being referred to in Acts 26:7?

Absolutely! They were looking for their promised king to restore Israel. Look at the Luke 1 passage.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

This is the salvation and redemption the Jews were promised and waiting for. Btw, Luke wrote Acts.

 

[John146]

Are you now admitting that ALL Israel isn't the apple of God's eye?
Are you now admitting that there are TWO ISRAEL's, 1) Saved Jews 2) Unsaved Jews.
Are you now admitting that saved Jews are "The Elect" and unsaved Jews are the enemies of the gospel?

You only need to take one more step and admit that the Israel of God (God's elect, the apple of his eye) is saved Jews and saved Gentiles. And so, ALL ISRAEL shall be saved... both the Jews and the Gentiles.

Nope, Israel is the whole nation. Saved Jews are part of the body of Christ where there is no Jew or Gentile. In the tribulation, the twelve tribes make up all Jews, believing and non believing.

 

[KJV1611]

Absolutely! They were looking for their promised king to restore Israel. Look at the Luke 1 passage.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

This is the salvation and redemption the Jews were promised and waiting for. Btw, Luke wrote Acts.

The people who killed Jesus were waiting for salvation and redemption?

 

[John146]

The people who killed Jesus were waiting for salvation and redemption?

A physical salvation from their enemies so they could be a people of God and serve Him without fear. For hundreds of years they’ve been under the control of other kingdoms. They were awaiting their promised King to restore Israel to her glory. What they didn’t realize, because it was hidden from them, is this King would first come to die for their sins. They could not inherit the physical kingdom in sin. They had to be delivered from their sins, then the physical could be given.

 

[KJV1611]

A physical salvation from their enemies so they could be a people of God and serve Him without fear. For hundreds of years they’ve been under the control of other kingdoms. They were awaiting their promised King to restore Israel to her glory. What they didn’t realize, because it was hidden from them, is this King would first come to die for their sins. They could not inherit the physical kingdom in sin. They had to be delivered from their sins, then the physical could be given.

Ahhh, works plus grace.

 

[John146]

Ahhh, works plus grace.

Works plus grace? I don’t understand this comment?

 

[KJV1611]

Works plus grace? I don’t understand this comment?

Jesus had to first die for their sins then later in the "tribulation" they have to do works so that the grace of Jesus death could cover their sins. the 3rd gospel of the dispensationalist gospels.

 

[Guojing]

What a holy nation, totally dedicated to God. SMH

They killed God's prophets, they killed God's son, they persecuted the people who served God, they preyed on the weak and the poor, and they are the enemies of the gospel.

Are you kidding me... how can that be the "kingdom of priests and an holy nation"?

That is why Peter urged Israel and the Jews twice to repent, once in Acts 2:38, and the third time in Acts 3.

Jesus at the cross appealed to the Father to forgive them for they do that out of ignorance, and Peter reminded them of that in Acts 3:17, so his point is, the nation can still be forgiven, but they needed to repent and believe in Jesus.

The key is, if the nation repented, Jesus would have returned there and then. That was the focus of Peter's sermon in Acts 3.

 

[Jayhawk4]

Any thoughts on quantum dot tattoos?

 

[KJV1611]

Any thoughts on quantum dot tattoos?

I think it's coming soon but I don't think it's the mark of the beast. That being said, it will be used to control commerce. No one will be able to buy and sell without it.

 

[KJV1611]

That is why Peter urged Israel and the Jews twice to repent, once in Acts 2:38, and the third time in Acts 3.

Jesus at the cross appealed to the Father to forgive them for they do that out of ignorance, and Peter reminded them of that in Acts 3:17, so his point is, the nation can still be forgiven, but they needed to repent and believe in Jesus.

The key is, if the nation repented, Jesus would have returned there and then. That was the focus of Peter's sermon in Acts 3.

In your view Israel is back in the land now, but God said they couldn't come back into the land until they repented. When did they repent?

 

[Guojing]

In your view Israel is back in the land now, but God said they couldn't come back into the land until they repented. When did they repent?

What Peter told them thru the Holy Spirit in Acts 3, that Jesus would return to usher them to the promised kingdom on Earth, if they repent, but the nation did not.

Jesus is currently not sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem. The land promised to them is more than just the current land that they are living in.

 

[KJV1611]

What Peter told them thru the Holy Spirit in Acts 3, that Jesus would return to usher them to the promised kingdom on Earth, if they repent, but the nation did not.

Jesus is currently not sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem. The land promised to them is more than just the current land that they are living in.

You're seeing things like the Jews did, Jesus is sitting on David's throne right now. David's throne, just like the kingdom of heaven come without observance.

 

[Guojing]

You're seeing things like the Jews did, Jesus is sitting on David's throne right now. David's throne, just like the kingdom of heaven come without observance.

Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of the Father in Heaven. David is not sitting on any throne in heaven so it cannot be his throne.

There will be a king from the line of David that will rule from Jerusalem. That is why Jesus was often referred to as the "Son of David".

Jeremiah 23:5-6 states it as

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Angel Gabriel also told Mary in Luke 1

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[KJV1611]

Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of the Father in Heaven. David is not sitting on any throne in heaven so it cannot be his throne.

There will be a king from the line of David that will rule from Jerusalem. That is why Jesus was often referred to as the "Son of David".

Jeremiah 23:5-6 states it as

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Angel Gabriel also told Mary in Luke 1

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Which Israel is that verse talking about? The Israel of God or the Israel that killed Christ?

 

[Guojing]

Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Which Israel is that verse talking about? The Israel of God or the Israel that killed Christ?

It was an unconditional promise to Abraham and his descendants, the Jews.

Romans 11:29 stated For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[KJV1611]

It was an unconditional promise to Abraham and his descendants, the Jews.

Romans 11:29 stated For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

There are two Israels in the bible, which one is God talking about in Jeremiah?

 

[oldethennew]

there are two 'Israels' in Scripture, 'the Israel of God, and the physical Israel, children in whom
there is NO Faith...
GAL. 6:16.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
and HEBS. Chapter 11, the FAITH Chapter.
DEU. 32:20.
And He said, I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end shall be:
for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.=the carnal/fleshly Isarel...
but,
as it is written:
Abraham had 'two sons', one of the bond woman and one of the free'.

 

[KJV1611]

there are two 'Israels' in Scripture, 'the Israel of God, and the physical Israel, children in whom
there is NO Faith...
GAL. 6:16.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
and HEBS. Chapter 11, the FAITH Chapter.
DEU. 32:20.
And He said, I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end shall be:
for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.=the carnal/fleshly Isarel...
but,
as it is written:
Abraham had 'two sons', one of the bond woman and one of the free'.

Thank you!

Some people take every verse in the bible, especially Old Testament verses, to mean the physical Israel. If verses are praising them or giving them promises, then those verses are about the Israel of God. If it's judgement and punishment then those verses are about physical Israel. The two can not be lumped together.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Assigning numbers to something isn't counting wouldn't you agree?

Solving the riddle is what it is.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm
count, calculate, solve, figure out.