Who was the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament?
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Thanks for the reply. I hear you I was led to believe that also. Still working on it I am a slow learner.. . .
The JW's have another authroity other than all things written in the law and prophets alone(sola scriptura)
It simply does not pan out. For some reason men want God to be a man. Jesus was a prophet and apostle. (sent one). The Lord not seen rebuked the devil by words the father put on his Son Jesus's lips.
Just like any apostles a messenger. . . how beautiful are their feet they bring the gospel ..
(Michael)Who is like God is simply a rhetorical question. It like the word Manna which begs a question. What is it? We do not seek familiarity with God .He is not a man . We can seek familiarity with the Son of man, born of man. He as us had no power to rebuke coming from his earthen body .
Not a salvation issue but more. How can we hear God as two working together not seen rather than man seen?
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
The JW's have another authroity other than all things written in the law and prophets alone(sola scriptura)
It simply does not pan out. For some reason men want God to be a man. Jesus was a prophet and apostle. (sent one). The Lord not seen rebuked the devil by words the father put on his Son Jesus's lips.
Just like any apostles a messenger. . . how beautiful are their feet they bring the gospel ..
(Michael)Who is like God is simply a rhetorical question. It like the word Manna which begs a question. What is it? We do not seek familiarity with God .He is not a man . We can seek familiarity with the Son of man, born of man. He as us had no power to rebuke coming from his earthen body .
Not a salvation issue but more. How can we hear God as two working together not seen rather than man seen?
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Well don't be so sure! There are some that believe that the wrestling was in the spiritual realm. However, there are some who believe it for real. Please read the following going down to Genesis 32"26. https://bibleapps.com/kad/genesis/32.htm
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
The Angel of the Lord is described in Revelation 10.
He is exactly what His Name implies “The Angel of the Lord.” Looks just like Jesus, but is His own personal Angel.
The book of Revelation is The Revelation of Jesus Christ and God gave it to Jesus and Jesus gave it to “His Angel” to give it to John.
Jesus Christ is the first begotten of many brethren all heirs of salvation. Heirs have angel(s) assigned to them.
While Jesus was on the Earth, the angel assigned to Him was none other than “The Angel of the Lord.”
No need to complicate it.
He is exactly what His Name implies “The Angel of the Lord.” Looks just like Jesus, but is His own personal Angel.
The book of Revelation is The Revelation of Jesus Christ and God gave it to Jesus and Jesus gave it to “His Angel” to give it to John.
Jesus Christ is the first begotten of many brethren all heirs of salvation. Heirs have angel(s) assigned to them.
While Jesus was on the Earth, the angel assigned to Him was none other than “The Angel of the Lord.”
No need to complicate it.
God is nor a man.
Then are you are saying it was not a dream or a vision as a theophany ? What was the interpretation of the parable? Surely not hone your wrestling skills watch out for the little guys they will wear you down .
I think I will take that with a grain of salt coming from someone who literalizes the signified understanding of parables like the one in view.
Without parables Christ spoke not. . . purposely hiding the gospel understanding from natural man .This is in order to teach men how to walk by faith and not after the things of men .
Then are you are saying it was not a dream or a vision as a theophany ? What was the interpretation of the parable? Surely not hone your wrestling skills watch out for the little guys they will wear you down .
I think I will take that with a grain of salt coming from someone who literalizes the signified understanding of parables like the one in view.
Without parables Christ spoke not. . . purposely hiding the gospel understanding from natural man .This is in order to teach men how to walk by faith and not after the things of men .
No, read the context starting at vs1, "And I saw "ANOTHER" strong angel coming down out of heaven, etc. Now for vs5, "And the angel whom I saw standing up his right hand to heaven etc. Another angel is "NOT" THE angel of the Lord. Also vs7, "but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel etc. Plus the fact that "THE" angel of the Lord never appears in the New Testament. How did you arrive or who told you that the angel of the Lord is in chapter 10 of Revelation? Btw, your the one that is complicating things by not reading the "CONTEXT."
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
Nope. The Angel described in Revelation 10 is The Angel of the Lord. The text says "another mighty angel" in Revelation 10:1 because prior in Revelation 9, the text was speaking of the angels associated with the 6 seals, yet none compare with the Angel of Revelation 10 - it is The Lord's Angel. 
It is best to NOT rely on human reasoning or commentaries to teach us when reading the scriptures, instead rely on the Holy Spirit to teach you......then, human reasoning's job is to simply receive, categorize and store the knowledge that the Holy Spirit gives us for current and future use.
1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The Holy Spirit is the ONLY ONE that can keep the scriptures in "CONTEXT."
It is best to NOT rely on human reasoning or commentaries to teach us when reading the scriptures, instead rely on the Holy Spirit to teach you......then, human reasoning's job is to simply receive, categorize and store the knowledge that the Holy Spirit gives us for current and future use.
1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The Holy Spirit is the ONLY ONE that can keep the scriptures in "CONTEXT."
Nope. The Angel described in Revelation 10 is The Angel of the Lord. The text says "another mighty angel" in Revelation 10:1 because prior in Revelation 9, the text was speaking of the angels associated with the 6 seals, yet none compare with the Angel of Revelation 10 - it is The Lord's Angel.
It is best to NOT rely on human reasoning or commentaries to teach us when reading the scriptures, instead rely on the Holy Spirit to teach you......then, human reasoning's job is to simply receive, categorize and store the knowledge that the Holy Spirit gives us for current and future use.
1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The Holy Spirit is the ONLY ONE that can keep the scriptures in "CONTEXT."
It is best to NOT rely on human reasoning or commentaries to teach us when reading the scriptures, instead rely on the Holy Spirit to teach you......then, human reasoning's job is to simply receive, categorize and store the knowledge that the Holy Spirit gives us for current and future use.
1 John 2:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The Holy Spirit is the ONLY ONE that can keep the scriptures in "CONTEXT."
Also, even Jesus was referred to as a "Teacher/Master" on several occasions, why? The Apostles were the first teachers according to the instructions of Jesus Christ at Matthew 28:19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." So how is one able to accomplish this without teachers?
Then there's good ole 2 Timiothy 2:24, "And the Lord's servant must not be quarelsom (or complicate things) but be kind to all, ABLE TO TEACH, patient when wronged." So what aboiut 1 John 2:27? Remember "CONTEXT." Look at vs26, "These things I have written to you CONCERNING THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO DECEIVE YOU." John's point is the fact that since false teachers are trying to decieve them they already have what they need by way of the Holy Spirit who brings to remembrance what God has already taught you and your to rely on it. In other words, you don't need new stuff that interfers with your walk with Jesus Christ.
And believe me, there's lots out there even from so-called Christians teaching heresy. Can you think of any people Lafftur that are teaching heresy today in the Church? Now, let's get back to Revelation 10 and the topic of the angel of the Lord. What have I been saying? Context, context. So look at Revelation 1:1, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." So who's the book addressed to Lafftur?
The book is addressed to the servants of Jesus (all true believers) and was SENT/COMMUNICATED BY AN/HIS ANGEL who made known its truths to His servant John. It reveals things Jesus said must begin to take place quickly, without delay. Again, Jesus is not the angel of the Lord in the book of Revelation. And as you can see it is Jesus who His angels to testify to John as to what's going on.
It just occured to me to ask you this question? Do you believe Jesus is an angel?
IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
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Hello bluto!
No, I have NEVER believed Yeshua/Jesus is an angel but, I do believe He has His own personal angel which is The Angel of the Lord described in Revelation 10 and is the same angel that Yeshua/Jesus gave this prophecy to to give to John.
Too many blind teachers leading the blind, I've noticed. When a teacher is speaking Truth, the Holy Spirit in me will bear witness to the Truth. I totally rely on the Holy Spirit, He is ALWAYS right. He knows the heart and mind of God, no man knows that.
Not all, but most false teachers will brag about their years of study, their seminary, their books, and tell me I should believe them.......lol! That is so comical to me, that's actually when I know NOT to listen to them.
When you've been close and intimate with the Lord, you just know His voice. Some people can quote scripture so quickly and name chapter and verse, yet it's NOT His voice.......it's twisted......there's no love.
I enjoy talking with you, bluto.....you have a very kind spirit.
No, I have NEVER believed Yeshua/Jesus is an angel but, I do believe He has His own personal angel which is The Angel of the Lord described in Revelation 10 and is the same angel that Yeshua/Jesus gave this prophecy to to give to John.
Too many blind teachers leading the blind, I've noticed. When a teacher is speaking Truth, the Holy Spirit in me will bear witness to the Truth. I totally rely on the Holy Spirit, He is ALWAYS right. He knows the heart and mind of God, no man knows that.
Not all, but most false teachers will brag about their years of study, their seminary, their books, and tell me I should believe them.......lol! That is so comical to me, that's actually when I know NOT to listen to them.
When you've been close and intimate with the Lord, you just know His voice. Some people can quote scripture so quickly and name chapter and verse, yet it's NOT His voice.......it's twisted......there's no love.
I enjoy talking with you, bluto.....you have a very kind spirit.
Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
(Matthew 4:11)
several angels here, not just one particular When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
(Matthew 25:31)
2/3 of all angels, here, not just one in particular For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
(Matthew 16:27)
says all those angels are His, here, not just one in particular where do you get that belief from, @Lafftur ?
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Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
(Matthew 4:11)
several angels here, not just one particular When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
(Matthew 25:31)
2/3 of all angels, here, not just one in particular For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
(Matthew 16:27)
says all those angels are His, here, not just one in particular where do you get that belief from, @Lafftur ?
When reading the Old Testament, I would wonder about the Angel of the Lord....many would tell me it is Jesus but, that never seemed right to me.
Later when I was doing a Revelation study in chapter 1 it said that Jesus gave it to His angel and His angel gave it to John.......
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=KJV
Then, in Revelation 10 a mighty angel is described that looks just like Jesus but, is not Jesus.....,it’s His Angel.....the Angel of the Lord...
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Revelation 10:1-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 10:1-6&version=KJV
And we know all heirs of salvation have angel(s) assigned to minister to them and we are joint-heirs with Christ....He must have had His own personal angel....The Angel of the Lord.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:13-14&version=KJV
It can be argued but, I have peace about it...
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Hello posthuman,
When reading the Old Testament, I would wonder about the Angel of the Lord....many would tell me it is Jesus but, that never seemed right to me.
Later when I was doing a Revelation study in chapter 1 it said that Jesus gave it to His angel and His angel gave it to John.......
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=KJV
Then, in Revelation 10 a mighty angel is described that looks just like Jesus but, is not Jesus.....,it’s His Angel.....the Angel of the Lord...
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Revelation 10:1-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 10:1-6&version=KJV
And we know all heirs of salvation have angel(s) assigned to minister to them and we are joint-heirs with Christ....He must have had His own personal angel....The Angel of the Lord.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:13-14&version=KJV
It can be argued but, I have peace about it...
When reading the Old Testament, I would wonder about the Angel of the Lord....many would tell me it is Jesus but, that never seemed right to me.
Later when I was doing a Revelation study in chapter 1 it said that Jesus gave it to His angel and His angel gave it to John.......
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=KJV
Then, in Revelation 10 a mighty angel is described that looks just like Jesus but, is not Jesus.....,it’s His Angel.....the Angel of the Lord...
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Revelation 10:1-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 10:1-6&version=KJV
And we know all heirs of salvation have angel(s) assigned to minister to them and we are joint-heirs with Christ....He must have had His own personal angel....The Angel of the Lord.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:13-14&version=KJV
It can be argued but, I have peace about it...
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Hello posthuman,
When reading the Old Testament, I would wonder about the Angel of the Lord....many would tell me it is Jesus but, that never seemed right to me.
Later when I was doing a Revelation study in chapter 1 it said that Jesus gave it to His angel and His angel gave it to John.......
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=KJV
Then, in Revelation 10 a mighty angel is described that looks just like Jesus but, is not Jesus.....,it’s His Angel.....the Angel of the Lord...
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Revelation 10:1-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 10:1-6&version=KJV
And we know all heirs of salvation have angel(s) assigned to minister to them and we are joint-heirs with Christ....He must have had His own personal angel....The Angel of the Lord.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:13-14&version=KJV
It can be argued but, I have peace about it...
When reading the Old Testament, I would wonder about the Angel of the Lord....many would tell me it is Jesus but, that never seemed right to me.
Later when I was doing a Revelation study in chapter 1 it said that Jesus gave it to His angel and His angel gave it to John.......
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 1:1&version=KJV
Then, in Revelation 10 a mighty angel is described that looks just like Jesus but, is not Jesus.....,it’s His Angel.....the Angel of the Lord...
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Revelation 10:1-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 10:1-6&version=KJV
And we know all heirs of salvation have angel(s) assigned to minister to them and we are joint-heirs with Christ....He must have had His own personal angel....The Angel of the Lord.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:13-14&version=KJV
It can be argued but, I have peace about it...
There is only one "Angel of the Lord" and that is Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Like I said before "The" angel of the Lord who is Jesus Christ never appears in the NT. So what your doing is "dubbing" this angel that Jesus commnicated what's to take place as "The angel of the Lord Jesus. Right lafftur!
IN GOD THE SON,
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Yes, you are correct, bluto! I am dubbing the angel in Rev. 10 as the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament.
However, after reading the encounters of people with the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament I'm understanding that the Lord (Jesus) and God (The Father) can also be present when the angel shows up because in some of the encounters it says "God said," or "The Lord said"....in others it simply says "the angel of the Lord appeared and said"...
What leads me to believe there really is a literal "Angel of the Lord" is the question, "Why say an angel or the angel of the Lord appeared? Why not say, "The Lord appeared" or "God appeared"?
Consider these random verses of the Lord appearing and speaking and God appearing and speaking for an example of what I'm questioning........
Genesis 26:24 (KJV)
And the Lord appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.
Genesis 12:7 (KJV)
7 And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him.
Exodus 3:2 (KJV)
And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Judges 6:12 (KJV)
12 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him, and said unto him, The Lord is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
Genesis 35:9-11 (KJV)
9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
It seems when the angel of the Lord appears, either the angel will speak or the Lord (Jesus) will speak or God (The Father) will speak.
I'm pretty convinced that there is an Angel of the Lord and he looks just like Jesus (Rev. 10) but, can also be fire in appearance as the angel of the Lord appeared in the burning bush that Moses encountered (Exodus 3).
Trying to discover or establish who the Angel of the Lord is in the Old Testament is a fun and interesting topic but, none of us will ever really know unless God wants to tell us.....lol! He does like to keep some things a secret, I've noticed......lol!
Much love to everyone on this thread! It's a joy to search the scriptures with you!
However, after reading the encounters of people with the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament I'm understanding that the Lord (Jesus) and God (The Father) can also be present when the angel shows up because in some of the encounters it says "God said," or "The Lord said"....in others it simply says "the angel of the Lord appeared and said"...
What leads me to believe there really is a literal "Angel of the Lord" is the question, "Why say an angel or the angel of the Lord appeared? Why not say, "The Lord appeared" or "God appeared"?
Consider these random verses of the Lord appearing and speaking and God appearing and speaking for an example of what I'm questioning........
Genesis 26:24 (KJV)
And the Lord appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.
Genesis 12:7 (KJV)
7 And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him.
Exodus 3:2 (KJV)
And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Judges 6:12 (KJV)
12 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him, and said unto him, The Lord is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
Genesis 35:9-11 (KJV)
9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
It seems when the angel of the Lord appears, either the angel will speak or the Lord (Jesus) will speak or God (The Father) will speak.
I'm pretty convinced that there is an Angel of the Lord and he looks just like Jesus (Rev. 10) but, can also be fire in appearance as the angel of the Lord appeared in the burning bush that Moses encountered (Exodus 3).
Trying to discover or establish who the Angel of the Lord is in the Old Testament is a fun and interesting topic but, none of us will ever really know unless God wants to tell us.....lol! He does like to keep some things a secret, I've noticed......lol!
Much love to everyone on this thread! It's a joy to search the scriptures with you!
The Bible says that the throne in heaven is the throne of God, and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
For God has to have a visible relationship with the saints, and it is by the man Christ Jesus, which Jesus said to Philip if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
And many people do not understand what Jesus being on the right hand of God means, but He is not sitting on a throne next to the Father, for the Bible says there is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne.
So before Jesus was born, and no person could raise to heaven for Jesus said no man has went to heaven yet, then God probably had a visible relationship to the angels by being in a visible image of an angel.
So when the Bible says the angel of the LORD it would seem like it would be a visible image of God, and sometimes an angel.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Exo 6:1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.
Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
The name Jehovah could not be known until God was ready to deliver the Jews from Egypt.
And the name Jesus could not be known until God was ready to send the Son to be the Savior, which is told in the New Testament when it was told to Mary for He shall save His people from their sins.
Gen 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Jdg 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name.
Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
Jdg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Jdg 13:23 But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.
It appears as if God appeared as an angel to people in the Old Testament, for it would seem like His relationship to the angels would be a visible image of an angel, and when Jesus was born it is now a visible image of God in a glorified body to the angels and saints, for Jesus was made so much better than the angels, and the beginning of creation, and Jesus shall judge the angels and people.
For God has to have a visible relationship with the saints, and it is by the man Christ Jesus, which Jesus said to Philip if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
And many people do not understand what Jesus being on the right hand of God means, but He is not sitting on a throne next to the Father, for the Bible says there is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne.
So before Jesus was born, and no person could raise to heaven for Jesus said no man has went to heaven yet, then God probably had a visible relationship to the angels by being in a visible image of an angel.
So when the Bible says the angel of the LORD it would seem like it would be a visible image of God, and sometimes an angel.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Exo 6:1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land.
Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
The name Jehovah could not be known until God was ready to deliver the Jews from Egypt.
And the name Jesus could not be known until God was ready to send the Son to be the Savior, which is told in the New Testament when it was told to Mary for He shall save His people from their sins.
Gen 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Jdg 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name.
Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
Jdg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Jdg 13:23 But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.
It appears as if God appeared as an angel to people in the Old Testament, for it would seem like His relationship to the angels would be a visible image of an angel, and when Jesus was born it is now a visible image of God in a glorified body to the angels and saints, for Jesus was made so much better than the angels, and the beginning of creation, and Jesus shall judge the angels and people.