Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

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Are you a Trinitarian, and can you defend the doctrine?

  • Yes, I am a Trinitarian, and I can defend the doctrine.

    Votes: 37 63.8%

  • Yes, I am a Trinitarian, but I cannot defend the doctrine.

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • No, I deny the doctrine of the Trinity.

    Votes: 16 27.6%

  • I don't know if the Trinity is true or false.

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
    58
You have been BANNING people according to MAN'S Gospel!

Therefore, YOU are the HERETIC!
 
biker said:
But going by assumptions and making up your own definitions are not Heresy?

Where is the term God the Son located?
Where is the term God the Holy Spirit located at?
Where is the term Persons describing the Godhead at?

The Nicene Creed does not use any of these and yet it is still Triune based.

If someone cannot question where you are making up these terms from, why should they hold onto man made idealisms that seem to be what you are doing?
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Right here in the Nicene Creed they use the term We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. It refers to Him as Lord, Son of God, God from God, true God from true God. The Nicene Creed is soaked in biblical truth. :)
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Right here in the Nicene Creed they use the term We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. It refers to Him as Lord, Son of God, God from God, true God from true God. The Nicene Creed is soaked in biblical truth. :)
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Ahhh, you have converged human terms with the one biblical term "Son of God."
I do not disagree that Christ is indeed God From God, Light from Light, true God from true God.
But none of those terms are found in Scripture. They are a conglomerate combination of multi terms uniquely made into one.
And all though I follow this creed, I do not use it because it's without Scriptural Proofs that those who oppose the the Triune views use.
 
Is God Light? Yes!
And Light from Light is accurate, but it cannot be found in 1 verse.

This truth is a combination of "Express Image." And we can find Express Image in Hebrews. And take Jesus' words He is the LIGHT!
 
biker said:
Ahhh, you have converged human terms with the one biblical term "Son of God."
I do not disagree that Christ is indeed God From God, Light from Light, true God from true God.
But none of those terms are found in Scripture. They are a conglomerate combination of multi terms uniquely made into one.
And all though I follow this creed, I do not use it because it's without Scriptural Proofs that those who oppose the the Triune views use.
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Let's cut to the chase. Do you agree with the term "God the Son"?
 
biker said:
Ahhh, you have converged human terms with the one biblical term "Son of God."
I do not disagree that Christ is indeed God From God, Light from Light, true God from true God.
But none of those terms are found in Scripture. They are a conglomerate combination of multi terms uniquely made into one.
And all though I follow this creed, I do not use it because it's without Scriptural Proofs that those who oppose the the Triune views use.
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The term 'Trinity' is not found in scripture, either. Yet, you can find it taught all throughout scripture. :) By using your logic, then you must not be a Trinitarian, seeing the word 'Trinity' is not found in scripture. :(
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
The term 'Trinity' is not found in scripture, either. Yet, you can find it taught all throughout scripture. :) By using your logic, then you must not be a Trinitarian, seeing the word 'Trinity' is not found in scripture. :(
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You cannot believe in the Nicene Creed without Believing that God is Triune.
But, I do not believe in it from the KJV perspective.
Those who wrote the Nicene Creed had only the Hebrew/Aramaic/and Greek Translations. No Latin Vulgate, no English versions. So how they concluded as they did, is how I view it!
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Do you believe He is subordinate to the Father?
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I believe the WORD was already a part of the Father, before the Father emitted the Word from Himself.

Example: the moment I was conceived, every part of me within me is all of me. And if I was able to emit a part of me, it is and will always remain a part of me.
 
biker said:
You cannot believe in the Nicene Creed without Believing that God is Triune.
But, I do not believe in it from the KJV perspective.
Those who wrote the Nicene Creed had only the Hebrew/Aramaic/and Greek Translations. No Latin Vulgate, no English versions. So how they concluded as they did, is how I view it!
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You're gagging at a gnat here. By using your logic, you can not believe in the Trinity, as that word is found nowhere in scripture.
 
biker said:
I believe the WORD was already a part of the Father, before the Father emitted the Word from Himself.

Example: the moment I was conceived, every part of me within me is all of me. And if I was able to emit a part of me, it is and will always remain a part of me.
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I have no idea what you are saying here.

Let me ask you this, please. Is the Christ co-eternal with the Father?
 
biker said:
I believe the WORD was already a part of the Father, before the Father emitted the Word from Himself.

Example: the moment I was conceived, every part of me within me is all of me. And if I was able to emit a part of me, it is and will always remain a part of me.
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The Word was not conceived of the Father. So your example falls flat on its face my friend.
 
biker said:
I believe the WORD was already a part of the Father, before the Father emitted the Word from Himself.

Example: the moment I was conceived, every part of me within me is all of me. And if I was able to emit a part of me, it is and will always remain a part of me.
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I'm not trying to badger you with all these questions in a mean spirited way my friend. But even the anti-Trinity folk agree with the term Son of God.

Arians believe the Christ is the Son of God, but not God. They see Him as being subordinate to the Father. They are not Trinitarian, as they deny Him being God, just the Son of God. So, they see Him as a created being by logic. Only God is eternal, and if Jesus is not God, but just the Son of God, then He is not co-equal, co-eternal, neither do they share the same essence. :(

Modalists believe the Christ is the Son of God, but that He manifests Himself in one of three modes, Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. So, they are not Trinitarian, yet believe in the Son of God. They deny two-thirds of the Trinity. :(
 
biker said:
You cannot believe in the Nicene Creed without Believing that God is Triune.
But, I do not believe in it from the KJV perspective.
Those who wrote the Nicene Creed had only the Hebrew/Aramaic/and Greek Translations. No Latin Vulgate, no English versions. So how they concluded as they did, is how I view it!
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I rarely use the KJV, fyi. I love the NIV and NASB. :)
 
biker said:
Jesus is called SON because He was flesh.
We are called SONS because we are flesh and accept God as our Father.

From John, the Beloved, own disciples and the Church Fathers:

God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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What this is literally saying, that the WORD and WISDOM (Spirit) are not separate on their own, because they come from within God Himself and remain as Him.
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There is no God the SON!

There is God, His WORD, and God's Wisdom (Holy Spirit)!
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Watchtower teaches exactly that.
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
You're gagging at a gnat here. By using your logic, you can not believe in the Trinity, as that word is found nowhere in scripture.
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God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.

This is the Nicene Creed!
It is the Trinity!
Just not how the KJV explains, but how the Hebrew/Aramaic, and Translated Greek explain.
 
biker said:
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.

This is the Nicene Creed!
It is the Trinity!
Just not how the KJV explains, but how the Hebrew/Aramaic, and Translated Greek explain.
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Is the Christ co-eternal with the Father? Was there ever a time the Father existed w/o the Son being there with Him?
 
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