Behold, it was very good.

[JohnR7]

Not sure where that idea called Hebrews letters comes from? Scripture informs us that without parables Christ spoke not and has given us the tools to rightly divide that manner of prophecy . But this manner you call Hebrew letters .I don't see that as prophecy.

This is the foundation that we build on. There are 22 letter. A represents the head of an ox or the leader of the hurd. B represents a tent or any sort of dwelling. At the time Moses wrote the Torah they were living in Tents, even the Tabernacle was a tent. Today our homes are a lot more complex but the Letter B still represents dwelling. C represents camel or commerce. They have a teaching on run and return that talks about people using a camel to get their product to the market place. The letter D stands for door. Jesus talks about how He is the door. Today I was doing a study on the word Bat that has 6 letters in the Hebrew. Central is the idea of a womb because of the way the virus takes over a cell to replicate itself. People that are infested with the virus become a factory to produce more of the virus to infect more people. Mary offered her womb to Jesus to bring Him into the world. But the womb also has spiritual meaning also as Jesus is to be birthed in us so that we can pass Him onto others. We then become the manifest Sons (Daughters) of God. So this can be very easy for a child to understand or very complex and difficult.

There is very little information in the Bible about Bats. Almost nothing. But if we study the letters then we can start to learn something about them and why we are prohibited from eating them. Moses just said do not eat the bat. If we want to know why then we have to put some effort into a study of the letters that make up the word.

 

[JohnR7]

Moses put a finish to oral tradition by writing it all down. Sorry if it was vagued.

That is not what the Hasidic teach but that is between you and them. I just want to study the Hebrew letters and what they mean and represent. Jesus made it clear that it was enough to follow the teaching of Moses. We did not have to go beyond that. But they want to add to what Moses gives us. When I ask them why they think we can add to the Bible they ignore me and do not answer the question.

 

[JaumeJ]

What does Bible discussion have to do with Chassidic teaching_ They are but one of the cults under the umbrella called Judaisms.

This is like quoting the doctrines of the Mormons as gospel from bove, and we all should know they are but one of the many cults under the umbrella called Christianity..

Neither makes any sense.

 

[JaumeJ]

Just one added note. Any oral tradition after Moses would probably be considered by the High Priest of Israel as heresy, adding to the Word.

This was major factor in the need to chide the pharissees when Christ walked this, His earth, for they taught the traditions of man as from God, and this should not be so.

 

[garee]

This is the foundation that we build on. There are 22 letter. A represents the head of an ox or the leader of the hurd. B represents a tent or any sort of dwelling. At the time Moses wrote the Torah they were living in Tents, even the Tabernacle was a tent. Today our homes are a lot more complex but the Letter B still represents dwelling. C represents camel or commerce. They have a teaching on run and return that talks about people using a camel to get their product to the market place. The letter D stands for door. Jesus talks about how He is the door. Today I was doing a study on the word Bat that has 6 letters in the Hebrew. Central is the idea of a womb because of the way the virus takes over a cell to replicate itself. People that are infested with the virus become a factory to produce more of the virus to infect more people. Mary offered her womb to Jesus to bring Him into the world. But the womb also has spiritual meaning also as Jesus is to be birthed in us so that we can pass Him onto others. We then become the manifest Sons (Daughters) of God. So this can be very easy for a child to understand or very complex and difficult.

There is very little information in the Bible about Bats. Almost nothing. But if we study the letters then we can start to learn something about them and why we are prohibited from eating them. Moses just said do not eat the bat. If we want to know why then we have to put some effort into a study of the letters that make up the word.

We must be careful how we hear. God is not a man . We hear him just as Jesus the Son of man

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


Moses said do not eat the bat and then moved by the Holy Spirit defined why . God does not leave men with no understanding . Its without parables Christ spoke not. Parables must be compared to parables, faith to faith. Not without this new Hebrew letters and a hidden code, foreign from the scriptures. That is simply a oral tradition of men .

We should not look to man and go above it is written, adding to it and diminishing the authority of one author and perfecter. .

The commandment is to rightly divide. Not add or subtract.

Many sects try and use John 21 as some sort of blank check; "write in your conclusion". It teaches just the opposite .
Rather than acknowledging its ok simply add the the authority of God by using ones imagination as a oral tradition .
We are informed if every time Jesus was faced with bold faced lies and he wrote down the work he perform to defend all things written in the law and the prophets. . That we would need a bigger world to hold the volumes of lies .

lesson keep your eye on Jesus . Not Peter who spread the lie over his jealousy of John .

Catholisicim has their eye on him. They also believe oral traditions are blank checks awaiting the approval of the Patron saint creator, one of the men of sin. Pope

Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:23-25

 

[garee]

Oh, just in case, I haver reaqd the Bible in Hebrew, and I have studied the meanings given by men to the characters of the alefbet from alef through tav inclusive. Thank you.

Where did the idea of Hebrew words are any different than any other tongue God spoke through? All prophecy has a understanding.

In that way do we need any other source of faith other than sola scriptura?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is common knowledge that men have assiegned meanings and?or origins to the letters of various alphabets, however it is not some mystical power of men, not some secret code to men from God, it is simply the assignations of bored men.

What next_ Numerology_

 

[Blik]

When the earth was created we are told it was good and yet the world today contains evil that is not good. When the earth was first created evil was contained and only good was left in the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Evil was contained in some way, and we are told it was in the fruit of a tree. What was left was only good until Adam ate of this fruit so it was contained no longer.

 

[Blik]

Where did the idea of Hebrew words are any different than any other tongue God spoke through? All prophecy has a understanding.

In that way do we need any other source of faith other than sola scriptura?

Hebrew words ARE different. Each letter has a spiritual meaning, no other language tells us that. The language evolved from pictograph. Some Hebrew words cannot be translated accurately in another language such as Torah or Shalom.

 

[garee]

Hebrew words ARE different. Each letter has a spiritual meaning, no other language tells us that. The language evolved from pictograph. Some Hebrew words cannot be translated accurately in another language such as Torah or Shalom.

I understand that number words are used in parables. But God words did not evolve from pictures on the walls of caves.
I would ask who inspired someone to convert the picture into a word .It would seem the other way words give visions

Without parables and not without pictograph he spoke not .

 

[Blik]

I understand that number words are used in parables. But God words did not evolve from pictures on the walls of caves.
I would ask who inspired someone to convert the picture into a word .It would seem the other way words give visions

Without parables and not without pictograph he spoke not .

"Pictures on walls of caves in no way defines Hebrew pictograph. As an example the letter aleph, like our letter a, was a picture of the head of an ox denoting power.

 

[garee]

"Pictures on walls of caves in no way defines Hebrew pictograph. As an example the letter aleph, like our letter a, was a picture of the head of an ox denoting power.

I am not familiar with that idea for dividing the scriptures .

Previously I think it was said that the letter A represents the beginning . Now its seems you are saying it represents a picture of the head ox. Which could be the alpha or lead Ox. And could be considered a parable

Then it would be does A = power .

Does the letter A replace the word who aleph? Or are the things seen (scripture) a law. And we use the letter of the law (not the letter as part of a whole word) or the things seen temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding. The law of faith .And they must be mixed. So that we can walk by faith

I am not seeing that without a Hebrew letter code Christ spoke not.

How can we divide one letter if we are comparing it outcome to the same. That would seem to be more adding and not dividing from the whole.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Blik]

I am not familiar with that idea for dividing the scriptures .

Previously I think it was said that the letter A represents the beginning . Now its seems you are saying it represents a picture of the head ox. Which could be the alpha or lead Ox. And could be considered a parable

Then it would be does A = power .

Does the letter A replace the word who aleph? Or are the things seen (scripture) a law. And we use the letter of the law (not the letter as part of a whole word) or the things seen temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding. The law of faith .And they must be mixed. So that we can walk by faith

I am not seeing that without a Hebrew letter code Christ spoke not.

How can we divide one letter if we are comparing it outcome to the same. That would seem to be more adding and not dividing from the whole.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I had nothing to do with creating the Hebrew language, God did. I am just reporting. Tell God about your objections.

 

[Blik]

It is common knowledge that men have assiegned meanings and?or origins to the letters of various alphabets, however it is not some mystical power of men, not some secret code to men from God, it is simply the assignations of bored men.

What next_ Numerology_

This is a new thought to me. Are you certain that the meaning behind the letters and pictures of early Hebrew are only from men and not God? The early picture of faith as a nail being pounded in a wall has fed my soul, as faith is depending on something solid as an example. I think it is so important to separate God's word and man's word.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here where I live in Spain it is raining. The air has been much cleaner everhwere on the peninsula. Man has but slowed down his constant @work@ to gain in his quest for success in industry, and every thing is better, so it must have been very good before the fall in the Garden.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

It is important to understand the Hebrew letters if we want to understand the Word of God.

Well, have you ever considered how Moses was able to write the written spoken word since there is no record that the Egyptians or any other civilization had the ability to communicate using the written spoken word (letters) until after the Exodus period. Even today a person cannot read the written spoken word unless they are taught by somebody who knows how to read.

There is even a story about a book that is given to one that has been taught to read, and he is asked to read it and he tells them that he cannot, for it is sealed. So the men take the book and give it to one hasn't been taught to read, and they ask him to read it, and he opens the book and begins reading it. But I guess it depends upon one's teacher whether they ever hear that story.

 

[JaumeJ]

Moses did not write it ALL down because Moses tells us that Jesus would add to what we receive from him. John tells us: "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." (John 21:25) God is infinite and a finite world is not going to be able to contain a infinite God.

I am not really interested so much in their "Oral" tradition so much as learning the Hebrew and what the Hebrew letters represent. For example if we look at the letter Tet, that means a vessel, and this letter is represented by the number 9. What this represents is the womb and the 9 months that a child is in the womb.

It is important to understand the Hebrew letters if we want to understand the Word of God.

It is unwise to insist anyone need know another language in order to understand the Word as given by Yahweh.
Although I read and have read all of the Word in Hebrew, and I have been greatly blessed by it, I know it is the Holy Spirit Who gives understanding, not dead text. Our Father, because He is wisdom, has allowed all who believe to understand Him as He would have them do.
Having read the Word in several languages, I do not feel intellectually superior to anyone for so doing, this would make me a bafoon

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

It is common knowledge that men have assiegned meanings and?or origins to the letters of various alphabets, however it is not some mystical power of men, not some secret code to men from God, it is simply the assignations of bored men.

What next_ Numerology_

The original Hebrew text was were a majority of the associations came from, so in my view it was God inspired and not manmade. It is just too perfect to be manmade…

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Tov also mean functioning according to purpose… so the very good was actually everything was going according to plan

 

[JaumeJ]

Tov means good, but I do not believe it is from tave. Bet is likened to a house by its shape, and the word for house is Beit, a variation of the letter. It is quite possible the names of the letters came from words withi the spoken language before the "alefbet" was conceived and written for oral tradition endured from Adam through the flood to Moses.