CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe "

Was he correct?

Should I look at it different than Jesus?
These signs are to be performed by healing the unbelievers not christians. Christians ought to believe in Christ's atonement for healing according to Isaiah 53:4.
 
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I would offer. No you should not . Those metaphors used in parables are to indicate someone was given ears to hear the gospel. The metaphors follow after as not seen . For who hopes in something they already have.. We have a living hope. No one has received the end of it a new body. We receive the end from the first hearing of faith. Our first love, believe God as he works in us . ,

Those who seek after what the unconverted call a "sign gift" forfeit the gift of prophecy, the "spiritual gift" (the gospel) .

They would be those who mock God and make him into a cursus Seal. Do a miracle then we will beleive what we see, as if faith came by looking at corruption .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Simply faithless mankind, atheism No God in their hearts.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The word sign and wonder must be fined.

Signs the temporal things seen and adding wonders .They are sign that cause wonderment. They signs as wonders provide no faith. When Jesus who had become the High priest after the order of Melchedik spoke to Nicodenmus from the Old order un Levi and revealed to Nicodenmus the greatest miracle possible. The understanding that a man must be born again before he can see the work of God working in him . To help them in their unbelief .Jesus gave Nicodenmus words of comfort. Marvel not or wonder not but rather beleive according to the working of His Spirit the witness God has reveled His living word .

We must be careful how we hear.
Abraham travelled to Canaan by his faith. He was not aided by those who had the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is temporal as it will cease according to 1 Corinthians 13:8.
 
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Jesus correct, have you ever visit the doctor when you sick?
Are you trusting in medical doctors for healing when millions have died though they were treated by medical doctors? Trust in Christ's atonement.
 
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So when your love one die, do you pray fore awaken them?
Let the dead bury the dead. They have no faith. We seek our living Father the author and finisher of our gift of faith .

The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. The letter of the law "death" has been cast into the judgment fire of God. It will never rise up and condemn through corruption, dying leading to dust another entire creation. The whole creation cries out.

The new creation is not a rebuilt with the corrupted rudiment of this earth . The new that he created in Genesis is right over the glorious horizon.

Isaiah 65:16-17 King James Version (KJV)That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
 
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Abraham travelled to Canaan by his faith. He was not aided by those who had the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is temporal as it will cease according to 1 Corinthians 13:8.
It would seem you have no understanding as to what prophecy is or how it relates to the word faith .

prophecy is simply the word of God .God declaring His will from heaven . The word of God prophecy faithfully led Abraham .

Abraham had no faith of his own. The faith needed to please God came by hearing the word of God .Prophecy . Just as with us today no difference .Led by the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in Abraham earthen body of death .

The gift of prophecy will not cease. The word of God will be active in the hearts of men until the last day .

What did cease is new prophecy . John was the last new prophet . We have the whole book of the law with no laws was missing by which we could know him more adequately.

We abide in Him as His prophecy teaches us.
 
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It would seem you have no understanding as to what prophecy is or how it relates to the word faith .

prophecy is simply the word of God .God declaring His will from heaven . The word of God prophecy faithfully led Abraham .

Abraham had no faith of his own. The faith needed to please God came by hearing the word of God .Prophecy . Just as with us today no difference .Led by the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in Abraham earthen body of death .

The gift of prophecy will not cease. The word of God will be active in the hearts of men until the last day .

What did cease is new prophecy . John was the last new prophet . We have the whole book of the law with no laws was missing by which we could know him more adequately.

We abide in Him as His prophecy teaches us.
Where does the Bible talk about "new prophecy"?

No prophet with the gift of prophecy prophesied unto Abraham.

Abraham had promises from God.

Healing for christians is by faith not through prophets.
 

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
You may post your opinion.
Realy, you dont want to hear any opinions. You only want to spread your false teaching. For what do you open this thread?
 
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Where does the Bible talk about "new prophecy"?
Hi thanks for the reply.

Every time God would reveal his will to mankind it was new prophecy even repeating previous .

Many times he moved men to write it as a law. (scriptura) The last prophet to receive new prophecy was John . We have the whole book of the law with no part missing. New prophecy has ceased we warned before hand. The living prophecy continues to do it work of faith in the hearts of men

No prophet with the gift of prophecy prophesied unto Abraham.
Prophecy (the gospel) is the gift that worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure of God.

Abraham had promises from God.
Yes, God declared them to him as prophecy

Healing for christians is by faith not through prophets.
Yes never through the prophets his messengers apostles. But through the words of our father words of faithfulness that they bring the understanding of God .The gospel of our salvation

.Our first experience of his love working in us. The miracle of belief in the eternal one not seen . The same love we return to and do the first works. . beleive God not seen.

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The issue in discussion is physical healing not dying. Don't blabber.
Dying need physical healing isn't It?

Remember Jesus awaken Lazarus and you give me a verse from mark 9

23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

All thing possible, not only healing
 

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Most Christian include apostle or healer pastor sick and die. If God always heal the sick, some first Christian from jerusalem may still life today.
Sick is include injured like Stephen, and God not heal him
 
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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing? You may post your opinion.
A true prophets declares the will of God not seen. Not of his own will seen. "the fall"; did God say you will die ? You shall surely not die look at me who needs faith. The glory departed

God is not served by corrupted hand hands(will) as if he who satisfies all needs needed something from the earthen vessel of death. We have the power of the gospel in us but it is not of us. God can form Christ in any lump of clay .

He is not served by human hands as a will .Mankind can plant the incorruptible born again seed but they have no life. Christ must breath that in. Paul speaks of that seed.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

He can move a unbeliever to bring his words of prophecy as easily as one who does believe. The word of God gives the understanding of the Spirit, as two or three walking together with the father.

There is a great learning or teaching tool in a old testament ceremonial law that is set up to help us understand the importance of not accrediting the unseen things of faith to men seen .

God is not served by corrupted human hands. Like those in Acts 14 , who witnessed the invisible work of the gospel and made the apostles into a legion of gods in the likeness of men (blasphemy) This revealed they had no faith coming from a God not seen .Out of sight out of mind. The pagan religious foundation. demonstrated with faithless Cain. He said. . Plow them thumpers under.

Walk away or run away from those( t.b.joshua) who say they are the true source of faith . "Look at me and beleive" why wait surely you will not die.
 
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Hi thanks for the reply.

Every time God would reveal his will to mankind it was new prophecy even repeating previous .

Many times he moved men to write it as a law. (scriptura) The last prophet to receive new prophecy was John . We have the whole book of the law with no part missing. New prophecy has ceased we warned before hand. The living prophecy continues to do it work of faith in the hearts of men



Prophecy (the gospel) is the gift that worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure of God.



Yes, God declared them to him as prophecy



Yes never through the prophets his messengers apostles. But through the words of our father words of faithfulness that they bring the understanding of God .The gospel of our salvation

.Our first experience of his love working in us. The miracle of belief in the eternal one not seen . The same love we return to and do the first works. . beleive God not seen.

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Faith in Christ's atonement for salvation from wrath, healing etc is true faith.

Teach christians to believe by faith and not depend on gifted healers.
 
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Realy, you dont want to hear any opinions. You only want to spread your false teaching. For what do you open this thread?
Don't be stiff-necked to deny healing through faith in Christ's atonement. Repent.
 
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Most Christian include apostle or healer pastor sick and die. If God always heal the sick, some first Christian from jerusalem may still life today.
Sick is include injured like Stephen, and God not heal him
There are consequences for unbelief as peter sunk due to unbelief.
 
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Dying need physical healing isn't It?

Remember Jesus awaken Lazarus and you give me a verse from mark 9

23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

All thing possible, not only healing
Yes all things are possible to believe his understanding not seen as he gives us the faith , without the faith of Christ that works in these bodies of death no man can hear the gospel of God .

No faith needed to hear someone standing in front. Out of sight out of mind.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I would advice not bowing down to a earthen vessel (t.b.joshua ) as the Master teacher and Lord called Rabbi . We are to call no man on earth Master, Lord, Teacher. One is in heaven .No man can serve two teaching masters . A repeat of the fall, crucify Christ over and over exposing him to public shame as if that one work of his faith as a labor of love somehow fell short of the unseen glory of God. The holy place of faith glory . Why install (t.b.joshua) in that Holy place as a abomination of desolation? Offer him the gospel perhaps free him of the Legion .as many gods in the likeness of men as needed.
 
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Don't be stiff-necked to deny healing through faith in Christ's atonement. Repent.
.Healing what through faith in Christ's atonement. A hang nail? Aging? a hang over?