CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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You may not want temporal healing but healing is included in Christ's atonement according to Isaiah 53:4. Don't preach lies!
Isaiah 53:4 has nothing to do with temporal healing.

We must be careful how we hear, mixing it with faith. If not then the gospel the unseen understanding will be lost and a person forfeits the rest we have when he works with us .

As always without parables . Which is using the temporal things seen of men to give us faith coming from our God .the things of God as that which works in us.

Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Hebrews 4:2

Don't preach another gospel! It is not about what we want.

Why literalize the signified understanding of the parables ?

The eternal purpose is demonstrated using the temporal healings. Not in resect to the temporal healing .But salvation eternal life.

For example when John the Baptist was facing death not a temporal illness. He had doubt whether or not Jesus was the Christ . Not whether he had some good medical advice

In the parable Jesus answered him using a series of metaphors to indicate the gospel the power of God from faith (the unseen eternal to the same eternal goal .There was no cure for John's head being lost.

It would seem he did mix faith (Hebrew4) in what we did hear.

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. Luke 7:22

We look not to the things seen .Here today gone tomorrow

He bore our griefs and carried our sorrow as the father poured out the wrath. The wrath is in respect to the eternal death. Not I have a cold today and tomorrow I will be fine,

I would say don't attribute the work of God to the hands of men according to Acts 14 .

Why make gods in the likeness of men .What hope is there in that? Blasphemy?

And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Acts 14 .
 
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Faith is believing on "things not seen" which refers to both the "work of Christ's atonement" and the "salvation from wrath / healing from sicknesses etc" it includes. Both are unseen to us.
Faith comes from believing the word of God as that seen . We then use that seen (God's word) mixing it with the things seen ..No mixing, no gospel.

Follow the Doctor of our souls prescription 20/20 below and pray . See him in the morning on the last day when we arise (when we receive our new incorruptible bodies) .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Isaiah 53:4 has nothing to do with temporal healing.

We must be careful how we hear, mixing it with faith. If not then the gospel the unseen understanding will be lost and a person forfeits the rest we have when he works with us .

As always without parables . Which is using the temporal things seen of men to give us faith coming from our God .the things of God as that which works in us.

Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Hebrews 4:2

Don't preach another gospel! It is not about what we want.

Why literalize the signified understanding of the parables ?

The eternal purpose is demonstrated using the temporal healings. Not in resect to the temporal healing .But salvation eternal life.

For example when John the Baptist was facing death not a temporal illness. He had doubt whether or not Jesus was the Christ . Not whether he had some good medical advice

In the parable Jesus answered him using a series of metaphors to indicate the gospel the power of God from faith (the unseen eternal to the same eternal goal .There was no cure for John's head being lost.

It would seem he did mix faith (Hebrew4) in what we did hear.

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. Luke 7:22

We look not to the things seen .Here today gone tomorrow

He bore our griefs and carried our sorrow as the father poured out the wrath. The wrath is in respect to the eternal death. Not I have a cold today and tomorrow I will be fine,

I would say don't attribute the work of God to the hands of men according to Acts 14 .

Why make gods in the likeness of men .What hope is there in that? Blasphemy?

And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Acts 14 .
Rubbish. Isaiah 53:4 says, "Surely he has borne our sickness, and carried our suffering; yet we considered him plagued, struck by God, and afflicted".

The above is healing present in the atonement.

If you seek healing apart from Christ's mediatorship, you are an apostate.
 
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Faith comes from believing the word of God as that seen . We then use that seen (God's word) mixing it with the things seen ..No mixing, no gospel.

Follow the Doctor of our souls prescription 20/20 below and pray . See him in the morning on the last day when we arise (when we receive our new incorruptible bodies) .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Rubbish. Don't pretend to not seek physical healing for your body. Don't pretend you have sicknesses in your body. Don't be a hypocrite.
 

miknik5

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Please go away, sir....you speak too many idle words
 
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Rubbish. Don't pretend to not seek physical healing for your body. Don't pretend you have sicknesses in your body. Don't be a hypocrite.

The sickness of the Adamic race mankind ends in death called the wage of sin.

The gospel is about the living. Let the dead bury the dead.

Let the gospel raises the dead it brought hope to John the Baptist . Why as it seems seek after the dead for the living?
 
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The sickness of the Adamic race mankind ends in death called the wage of sin.

The gospel is about the living. Let the dead bury the dead.

Let the gospel raises the dead it brought hope to John the Baptist . Why as it seems seek after the dead for the living?
Rubbish. Gospel of Christ's atonement includes healing according to Isaiah 53:4. Don't blabber nonsense.

The Lord showed to His disciples that little faith had consequences. Read Mathew 17:19,20.
 
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The eternal healing or the temporal?
Isaiah 53:4 talks about physical healing. Physical healing is not required after the bodily redemption. Don't blabber nonsense.
 

miknik5

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Please go away, you speak too many idle words, sir...
Please take yourself somewhere else.
Perhaps stand outside the door of Benny Hinnś, and every other person who uses the MESSAGE of the GOSPEL to his own glory and encourage those (in LOVE) ... I repeat... IN LOVE....to turn to CHRIST in prayer?
 

Dino246

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Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not.
Taken out of context and misinterpreted. I've told you this many times, but you stubbornly cling to your error.

Why literalize the signified understanding of the parables ?
Because you erroneously view all Scripture as parables, you misinterpret much of it.

For example when John the Baptist was facing death not a temporal illness. He had doubt whether or not Jesus was the Christ . Not whether he had some good medical advice

In the parable Jesus answered him using a series of metaphors to indicate the gospel the power of God from faith (the unseen eternal to the same eternal goal .There was no cure for John's head being lost.
That's not a parable!
 
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Please go away, you speak too many idle words, sir...
Please take yourself somewhere else.
Perhaps stand outside the door of Benny Hinnś, and every other person who uses the MESSAGE of the GOSPEL to his own glory and encourage those (in LOVE) ... I repeat... IN LOVE....to turn to CHRIST in prayer?
Denying healing in Christ's atonement is not love. Learn to love.
 

miknik5

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I believe that you enjoy what you are doing...even though it holds no truth..
I believe that you will continue in on this thread as long as you are engaged, until you are either removed, or no one engages you again.

I suggest that those who have participated in this thread...no longer participate in this thread.

Good luck to you sir...

You might want to review what you thought I was blabbering about..the fact that you said this, clearly makes manifest that you really do not know and understand as you should know and understand.
 

miknik5

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And hereś something I will idly say...if you engage me, by responding to my most recent and last post, sir...then you are doing exactly what I suggested.

There is no need to continue the discussion.
 
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Therefore, sir, what do you say of those Christians who are sick. I would like to know where you think these who are sick will be sir...and the little children, born with defects sir, where will they be.
I think about this all the time.
My perspective is that if Jesus encountered that child it would be healed.
So I make that my starting place.
I dont factor in the mom or unanswered prayer as optimum factors.
I see those as indirect.

Jesus/the child/the mother/the prayer/the infirmity/no answer.
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Jesus/healing.

That is my focus ...Jesus/ healing.

Is it (healing) his will?...1000%yes
Now I can proceed
 

wolfwint

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Please go away, you speak too many idle words, sir...
Please take yourself somewhere else.
Perhaps stand outside the door of Benny Hinnś, and every other person who uses the MESSAGE of the GOSPEL to his own glory and encourage those (in LOVE) ... I repeat... IN LOVE....to turn to CHRIST in prayer?[/QUOTE

Miknik5, I suppose Sudakar needs the attention. Maby its better not to respond his posts. He cannot live with the fact that he is wrong.
 
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Denying healing in Christ's atonement is simply an act of apostasy.