There are a number of baptisms: go to your concordance and read them. Baptisms and the understanding of their functions is BASIC and FOUNDATIONAL. Water baptism is the public confession of faith before witnesses of the reality of what has ALREADY happened. Read Hebrews 5: verses 11 to 14. and then 6: 1-3. Read what the word says, and do not come back with personal views, or what you may have been taught. Use scripture. All these denominations prove there is error in their doctrines.
Mark 16: 15, 16. "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"... WHAT baptism?
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Talking of the body of believers. In Romans Paul is referring to the local body of believers at Rome. So this ref wouldn't be about eternal salvation.
All through the letter he is addressing the church at Rome. Then when it comes to the body of Christ.. its suddenly every believer?
Its gotta be the body AT Rome.
All through the letter he is addressing the church at Rome. Then when it comes to the body of Christ.. its suddenly every believer?
Its gotta be the body AT Rome.
Good question. And the answer is"Absolutely not". We simply need to take the example of Ananias who was sent to lay hands on Paul and then baptize him immediately.
And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. (Acts 9:10)
So the qualification of the one baptizing should be that he is a faithful disciple of the Lord. A genuine born-again believer, who is mature in the faith, and regarded as a disciple by Christ. Not necessarily a pastor, although that would be ideal.
All scriptures must harmonize in order to rightly divide the word of truth. Your interpretation of the scriptures that uphold the fact that "a person must accept Jesus as Lord (God) and Savior before he is filled with the Holy Spirit" will not harmonize with 1 Cor 2:14, that says the natural man, before he has been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks that they are foolishness. The Holy Spirit is the revelator that teaches the born again person to accept Jesus as his Savior. Repenting and believing is a product of being born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The only way that a person can be led by the Holy Spirit is if they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Could it be that the faith in the baptism caused a transformative effect (placebo)? If the water baptism is truly spiritually significant why did Christ wait 30 years before He was baptized? To me, it seems like faith needs to conform to a religion for most. Religion needs to have ritual. It earmarks events. Ceremony makes things “feel” more sacred.
I’m not 100% sure but I think faith in the event, is more relevant than the event. It’s like when Paul was explaining if you feel guilty for eating meat sacrificed to idols, then you’re sinning. If you don’t feel guilty, then you’re not sinning. It’s things like this that makes me think guilt is the metaphysical separation between us and God, not the actual sin. It also shines light onto the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The fruit of knowing right from wrong is inevitably guilt for doing wrong.
Your thinking is right about water baptism. It does deliver you, here in this world, but not eternally. in the fact that it is following the command of Jesus. Conversion and water baptism comes, usually some time after you have been born again, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and not usually immediately after being born again.
WATER baptism is the pictured death, burial, and resurrection of the converted believer, before witnesses. The water signifies the washing of water by the word, (belief of the gospel) and the cleansing by the Spirit unto a new life in Christ, as one is lifted back up again. It, in itself, is not salvation, but is a public confession of what has ALREADY taken place.
Well initetionally I thought about getting baptized soon after I was saved but felt like my spirit was saying I wasn't ready yet as if there was certain training I was to go through first.
After a time of being with him I began to see water baptism in an entirely new light I began to understand it's meaning and purpose. I originally thought it is just what you do as a Christian but I didn't appreciate the depth of the water baptism what it represents the symbolism in it and the heart to go under the water that you need in order for that meaning and purpose to be fully realized.
Just curious , does anyone think waiting on the Holy Spirit ever plays in ? Could we be baptized in water as the act of faith but possibly not tarry and wait long enough on the Holy Spirit to act at that time ? I do believe ''baptism'' as the act of faith counts as true baptism ..
after i was saved, i went back to my home church, and at the first opportunity asked to be baptized. i wanted to do this not because i saw it as necessary in the absolute sense but proper, and fitting - and i wanted to do this as soon as possible not because i thought haste was necessary in any absolute sense but also because i saw it as proper: i saw this as what ought to be done, and saw doing so without either hesitation or unnecessary delay as the honorable way to behave given the fact of redemption.
i find it hard to understand why anyone would want to wait
That is a good question.
I got baptized when I was kid and my foster mom swears she saw the holy spirit surround me but I only did that as a kid for attention my heart was not in the right place. But as for your question I think while it may not save a person it is still valid because if you are going to do it you likely would not do it for the reason I did as a kid and thus the holy spirit is tugging at you trying to lead you to him.
Proclaim this in baptism before recieving the holy spirit may be seen as pointless to some but I think there is a validation to it and it is not uncommon to be baptized more than once as well from before you were saved after and sometimes just to reproclaim your commitment
John offered a baptism. A baptism into his life. His life makes a straight way to Christ. He is the Grooms Best Man. He stands next to the Groom and listens.
A life at the pinnacle of sanctity that all souls can receive through baptism into that persons life.
John's baptism helped to open ears so people could have ears to hear the Word.
Luke 7
28For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
So there is something tangible and real that happens when baptized into another person's life.
Of course that is God working.
John's baptism had something to offer because John's life had something to offer.
John's baptism was a baptism unto repentance because he lived a life of purity and penance.
We are baptized into Death and resurrection through Jesus' baptism.
If John's baptism offered those who received it something real and tangible how much more so Jesus' baptism?
It's not just an outward symbol but the primary way God offers to share His life with us. So we can die with Him and in so doing rise with Him.
A life at the pinnacle of sanctity that all souls can receive through baptism into that persons life.
John's baptism helped to open ears so people could have ears to hear the Word.
Luke 7
28For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
So there is something tangible and real that happens when baptized into another person's life.
Of course that is God working.
John's baptism had something to offer because John's life had something to offer.
John's baptism was a baptism unto repentance because he lived a life of purity and penance.
We are baptized into Death and resurrection through Jesus' baptism.
If John's baptism offered those who received it something real and tangible how much more so Jesus' baptism?
It's not just an outward symbol but the primary way God offers to share His life with us. So we can die with Him and in so doing rise with Him.