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The discussion is about the gospel being preached and Jesus said that when the gospel of the kingdom is preached to all nations the end will come. What’s the end? This is key to understanding the gospel of the kingdom. Paul’s gospel of grace had been preached to all nations. Obviously the two are different messages.
Paul and Peter's gospels are and were the same.

(Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision)


No mention of a difference in theology or gospel.
 
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Sure that makes sense....

So he was writing to a gentile about the gospel for the Jews, after the first supposed gospel for the Jews has been withdrawn, since it was after the end of Acts ..... because they just happened to be curious. :cautious:

This is more than a person who is curious..

"So that you might know the exact truth about the things you have been taught" (Luke 1:4).

Your lack of ability to reason critically reminds me of when I attempt to speak to JW's who come to my door.

Coached and trained responses.
Scripture is silent on who Theo is, his relationship with Luke, and why he asked Luke to write him an account of Jesus.

If you want to make an argument from silence, u can go ahead. My point is that there is no link between Luke writing his account, and what Les Feldick was saying in that video.
 
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I got NEWS FOR YOU, Most of MAINLINE Christianity does agree on the Main Core of Christian Theology.

Only people from Border Line Groups and Psuedo Christian Cults, DISAGREE Vehemently.
Aaah VCO why didn’t you put it in colour this time? I love your colours my friend :)

Thank you for the breaking news my dear brother and I will keep it mind. If you felt “vehemently opposed” after speaking to me; I apologise. My intentions are always to try and give a different perspective on God’s word and not to be a hindrance.
 
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In Revelation we read about the seven churches, and as there were differences in the seven churches, they were all considered to be the body of Christ (the same picture is used in the Menorah).

All churches today have truths and not one is perfect. We will all have the perfect knowledge of our King in heaven one day.
 

VCO

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Aaah VCO why didn’t you put it in colour this time? I love your colours my friend :)

Thank you for the breaking news my dear brother and I will keep it mind. If you felt “vehemently opposed” after speaking to me; I apologise. My intentions are always to try and give a different perspective on God’s word and not to be a hindrance.
We have been dealing with a lot of People with HYPER apposing views. Some would make you look almost tame. I am on 4 threads now, and I my cut it back to just two. So sometimes I get a little frustrated, especially when I have already answered the SAME QUESTION TO THE SAME PERSON BEFORE, which tells me HE NEVER READ THE FIRST POST. No in Mainline Christian Theology, most are OSAS, with VERY Little difference between them. But ALMOST ALWAYS, opponents of OSAS, preach lies about what we actually Believe and TEACH. Yes, I GET REAL TIRED of people who are over and over preaching absolute LIES about our beliefs.

For example, YES, we teach that WORKS have NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.
But that DOES NOT MEAN we think you can sin all you want, which only proves you were NEVER BORN AGAIN.
THE TRUTH is when the HOLY SPIRIT came into our hearts, HE CHANGED (BIRTHED) OUR HUMAN SPIRIT TO WANT TO LOVE HIM ENOUGH,

that we will ALWAYS WANT to DO WHAT PLEASES HIM, but sometimes the flesh is weak, then we refer to 1 John 1:9. But we certainly believe OUR AGAPE LOVE FOR HIM (John 14:15, and 1 John 15:3) will keep us continually striving to do what Pleases HIM. People who fall away were NEVER BORN AGAIN, because that CHANGE IN OUR Human Spirit is in ALL Born Again Christians. How do I know it is Part of AGAPE LOVE, that is easy, IT SAYS SO: (John 14:15, and 1 John 15:3)

Yes, we know there are Prodigals, but THEY WILL COME BACK. Therefore this verse REMAINS ABSOLUTELY TRUE:

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


I do not think you know this, but in the past 5 years, I have had 7 Strokes, and my brain still functions, but it takes me about 3 times as long to make a Post as before. I am Thankful that a that I got it back after my 4th one, as it was the WORST. I completely lost all my computer skills, and I had no idea how to turn the computer on. But about 5 - 6 weeks it started coming back to my brain. They put me on a different med, and it seems to be helping a lot. I PRAY I will live long enough to see the RAPTURE.
 
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I do not think you know this, but in the past 5 years, I have had 7 Strokes, and my brain still functions, but it takes me about 3 times as long to make a Post as before. I am Thankful that a that I got it back after my 4th one, as it was the WORST. I completely lost all my computer skills, and I had no idea how to turn the computer on. But about 5 - 6 weeks it started coming back to my brain. They put me on a different med, and it seems to be helping a lot. I PRAY I will live long enough to see the RAPTURE.
Oh you actually believe in the pre-tribulational rapture of the body of Christ?
 
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We have been dealing with a lot of People with HYPER apposing views. Some would make you look almost tame. I am on 4 threads now, and I my cut it back to just two. So sometimes I get a little frustrated, especially when I have already answered the SAME QUESTION TO THE SAME PERSON BEFORE, which tells me HE NEVER READ THE FIRST POST. No in Mainline Christian Theology, most are OSAS, with VERY Little difference between them. But ALMOST ALWAYS, opponents of OSAS, preach lies about what we actually Believe and TEACH. Yes, I GET REAL TIRED of people who are over and over preaching absolute LIES about our beliefs.

For example, YES, we teach that WORKS have NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.
But that DOES NOT MEAN we think you can sin all you want, which only proves you were NEVER BORN AGAIN.
THE TRUTH is when the HOLY SPIRIT came into our hearts, HE CHANGED (BIRTHED) OUR HUMAN SPIRIT TO WANT TO LOVE HIM ENOUGH,

that we will ALWAYS WANT to DO WHAT PLEASES HIM, but sometimes the flesh is weak, then we refer to 1 John 1:9. But we certainly believe OUR AGAPE LOVE FOR HIM (John 14:15, and 1 John 15:3) will keep us continually striving to do what Pleases HIM. People who fall away were NEVER BORN AGAIN, because that CHANGE IN OUR Human Spirit is in ALL Born Again Christians. How do I know it is Part of AGAPE LOVE, that is easy, IT SAYS SO: (John 14:15, and 1 John 15:3)

Yes, we know there are Prodigals, but THEY WILL COME BACK. Therefore this verse REMAINS ABSOLUTELY TRUE:

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


I do not think you know this, but in the past 5 years, I have had 7 Strokes, and my brain still functions, but it takes me about 3 times as long to make a Post as before. I am Thankful that a that I got it back after my 4th one, as it was the WORST. I completely lost all my computer skills, and I had no idea how to turn the computer on. But about 5 - 6 weeks it started coming back to my brain. They put me on a different med, and it seems to be helping a lot. I PRAY I will live long enough to see the RAPTURE.
Ah my brother, thank you for sharing and I pray that Abba Father will touch your health in an amazing way! What a testimony. From now on I will treat all your posts I read as something special, because if it takes that much effort I feel truly blessed that you would give me some of your precious time and resources.

The point I was making before (or trying to make) is that even if there are opposing views on certain issues I know we believe the same in most instances. I had the same experience with Eternally Grateful where we were going at it and all of the sudden we realised we agreed with almost everything except for one or two things we still discuss to this day.

I agree with everything you say in your above post, and I know that is what most OSAS people teach. I said it the other day; for me the question is was a person really saved to begin with if they can turn away from God?

God bless brother
 

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Happy Memorial Day.

To all the vets on here, thank you for your service. :)

I made this in honor of all who served, all who are serving, and all who lost their lives.

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Scripture is silent on who Theo is, his relationship with Luke, and why he asked Luke to write him an account of Jesus.

If you want to make an argument from silence, u can go ahead. My point is that there is no link between Luke writing his account, and what Les Feldick was saying in that video.
Scripture is not silent.... i quoted scripture from Luke ... and yes there is a connection to Feldicks theories.

It is heretical to teach there were two gospels.... plan A and plan B