"Not by works" - false!

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EleventhHour

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I'm keeping "company" with you. And these false accusations have not been substantiated - I asked you to find the posts I liked or agreed with (of my pals as you call them) but you've failed to do so.
Guilty as charged.

I receive the same treatment by many... I am not bothered by it... par for the course.

I support those always who defend the true Gospel of Grace and will never waver on that account.
 

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Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.[Galatians 6:1]

You, by your own words, said you had intercourse with your girlfriend. It wasn’t a one or two time thing, either. You are the above verse, and I’m challenging you, and using what the word of God says. The worst thing I could do is ignore what you’ve said you’ve done. It’s not okay to sleep with your girlfriend. You need to repent of this. That’s why I’m doing what I’m doing. Trying to steer you away from a sinful lifestyle.
I noticed you completely ignored my two references to Luke 18. That says pretty much all I need to know about you.
 
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I noticed you completely ignored my two references to Luke 18. That says pretty much all I need to know about you.
You said you were the tax collector. Have repented of that which you said you were doing? Remember, it was you who told us what you did. If you hadn’t spilled the beans, none would’ve known this about you.

The tax collector repented and walked away justified. Have you repented and ceased from intercourse with your girlfriend. I’m not asking you to tell me, just asking you, so you can reflect on this. Unlike Cain, I am my Brother’s keeper, and care for you, regardless what you feel of my posts. If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t have conversed with you on here.
 
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Do we all agree here that Christians should keep God's commandments?

Put salvation by works aside - should we keep God's commandments?
Yes or no?
No, I don’t agree they should, I agree they will. It is according to God’s purpose, will and counsel so it will be done.
 
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I find you frustrating to talk to also.

You have accused me of double-speak previously and of not answering questions. Yet you do the same.

In my scenario I spoke of an openly homosexual person who says that they are following Jesus.
You've once again sidestepped the question by saying this is one sin, and by answering my question with a separate multitude of similar questions.
I empathize with you. That is the problem when the Body of Christ use 1 John as salvation doctrine.
 
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This actually got Paul in trouble...he did this to satisfy James advice because too many were saying that Paul was teaching men not to follow the law of Moses and since Paul was getting ready to speak in the temple in Jerusalem, James was worried and felt if Paul followed the laws of Purification (which should have been a clear no no for anyone under CHRIST´S COVERING understanding that it is in CHRIST alone that we are washed and justified to begin with)....

This cost Paul a beating and getting thrown out of the temple...

ANd...He never finished his period of purification, which he should never have agreed to do to begin with...
Interesting, but according to many people here, James was preaching exactly the same gospel as Paul did, so why do you think James advised Paul to do that?
 
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Interesting, but according to many people here, James was preaching exactly the same gospel as Paul did, so why do you think James advised Paul to do that?
He was, but James still considered the Law binding on the Jewish Christians, so he was adding to gospel. That's why Paul said James added nothing to the gospel Paul preached. James was slow to clue in, not having the religious training that Paul had as a pharisee.

After the temple fell no Jewish Christian could follow the Law.
 
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He was, but James still considered the Law binding on the Jewish Christians, so he was adding to gospel. That's why Paul said James added nothing to the gospel Paul preached. James was slow to clue in, not having the religious training that Paul had as a pharisee.

After the temple fell no Jewish Christian could follow the Law.
So James ignored what Peter said in Acts 15:11 right, since Peter said then that the Law should no longer be binding to the Jewish believers?
 
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So James ignored what Peter said in Acts 15:11 right, since Peter said then that the Law should no longer be binding to the Jewish believers?
Hard to say, bringing in of the Gentiles without the law and rituals didn't seem to impact on him fully.

Peter was a ditherer to some degree when Paul had to go toe to toe with Peter:

(Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.)
 
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Hard to say, bringing in of the Gentiles without the law and rituals didn't seem to impact on him fully.

Peter was a ditherer to some degree when Paul had to go toe to toe with Peter:

(Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.)
Yes, that response from Peter made sense, since James did not follow thru with his suggestion in Acts 15:11. James was the boss of Jersualem HQ then after all.

Since James only exempted Gentiles who believed from the Law, Peter had to be concerned about how the Men from James viewed him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Like I said the above is you, you’re here to ridicule, divide, spread malice. It is proven by the company you keep on here as well.
The pot calling the kettle black.

oh that’s right, I am a coward, I am supposed to be afraid of you :rolleyes:
 
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EleventhHour

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That is an interesting point, and I don't disagree with you.
Welcome to Calvinism.....

If you are indeed newly born again if you.....
focus on self, proof and performance rather than relationship you will surely head down the path of insecurity, bondage and self-loathing every time you fail even in the smallest of areas...... if you are honest with yourself.


The self righteous always think they live an exemplary life and they are in fact the ones who have become lukewarm as Jesus teaches.
 
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I said

Do we all agree here that Christians should keep God's commandments?

Put salvation by works aside - should we keep God's commandments?
Yes or no?
In response, @preacher4truth said

No, I don’t agree they should, I agree they will. It is according to God’s purpose, will and counsel so it will be done.
Essentially, in reply to this, you @EleventhHour have said

Welcome to Calvinism.....

If you are indeed newly born again if you.....
focus on self, proof and performance rather than relationship you will surely head down the path of insecurity, bondage and self-loathing every time you fail even in the smallest of areas...... if you are honest with yourself.


The self righteous always think they live an exemplary life and they are in fact the ones who have become lukewarm as Jesus teaches.
Could you tell me clearly what is being taught incorrectly here please.
 
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I said



In response, @preacher4truth said



Essentially, in reply to this, you @EleventhHour have said



Could you tell me clearly what is being taught incorrectly here please.
Brother, her entire argument is a straw man. If you really want the truth, ask one of us, otherwise you're getting slander, ridicule and lies.
 
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That is an interesting point, and I don't disagree with you.
It is descriptive of a true convert bro.

You must understand the simpleton tribe on here, for the most part, do not believe in evidence of conversion. They reject it. No matter how a person lives after “salvation” it’s all good to them in spite of biblical warnings. It is a form of antinomianism most likely from the false teachings of the theology named “Free Grace Theology.” A person can live however they want and still expect heaven. This scratches their ears for them, obviously.

Look at how they behave on here, their fruits of slander, ridicule, mockery. That tells you what they really believe and it is their daily practice bro. To them it doesn’t matter that they live this way, “they’re still going to heaven when they die,” or, in other words, they think God is mocked, note Galatians 6:7-8.

Keep in mind one of them assured another he is saved after admitting he lives a lifestyle of sin, in the face of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Let that sink in.
 
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It is descriptive of a true convert bro.

You must understand the simpleton tribe on here, for the most part, do not believe in evidence of conversion. They reject it. No matter how a person lives after “salvation” it’s all good to them in spite of biblical warnings. It is a form of antinomianism most likely from the false teachings of the theology named “Free Grace Theology.” A person can live however they want and still expect heaven. This scratches their ears for them, obviously.

Look at how they behave on here, their fruits of slander, ridicule, mockery. That tells you what they really believe and it is their daily practice bro. To them it doesn’t matter that they live this way, “they’re still going to heaven when they die” or, in other words, they think God is mocked, note Galatians 6:7-8.

Keep in mind one of them assured another he is saved after admitting he lives a lifestyle of sin, in the face of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Let that sink in.
I agree totally.
I'm now writing another thread called "God loves everyone" - keep your eyes peeled :)