Why "The Bible" doesn't fulfil 1 Corinthians 13:10

[p_rehbein]

Blik said:
God the Father becomes that crazy guy who said not to mix fabrics and gave strange orders to people.


Intended or not, your words here are an abomination against The Great I Am! Sad to see such here on CC

 

[p_rehbein]

I ask you to consider and discuss the truth of the following statement:

If the words that ended up in the bible are the "That which is perfect" which was needing to come...and they fulfilled that role the very moment they were spoken or written into existence... then there was ZERO need for some group of men 300 years later to say "Hey, I don't think that what God has provided is good enough. I think we need to create a book so people don't have to ASK God to teach them how to discern truth for themselves. They won't need to go to God. They can just go to our book! They won't need to ask God to lead them. They can rely solely on our book! They won't have to actually hear God and let the Holy Ghost lead them and guide them into all truth...they can just limit the scope of their answers to those things we've allowed into our book! Then the king (not God) that appointed us will be pleased." .

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

While I understand the concept of your post, and, to a degree, agree..........in that all believers should FIRST look to the guidance of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit when seeking to understand Scripture, there is nothing wrong with people who, with all humility, and with the GUIDANCE of the Holy Spirit, try to explain in simpler terms (simpler than the King James English) the meanings of Scripture.

Sadly, not all believers have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, so these "Books" may well assist them in learning how to receive His indwelling presence, and give them a hunger to do so.

Pastors Preach........called by God to do so............and, the vast majority of Pastors I know write down their Sermons. A collection of such Sermons are often put into Book form. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

The ONLY Books I have a grave disdain for are those who promote NEW AGE or some such Gospel that is a "DIFFERENT GOSPEL" that what the Apostles preached/taught.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

In most cases those books have been written by people who have relied on the Bible. The answer is to compare what they are saying
to scripture. The Holy Spirit gives us discernment.

I have relied upon the Bible and feel no need to write a book. I would not desire for my words to take time away from God’s words from anyone.

And I disagree with you; the answer is to compare scripture with scripture; not waste time on a man’s book who needed the word of God like everyone else. In my estimation a true man of God would refer people to the Bible and prayer for answers.

The Holy Spirit will reveal things out of the scripture; not a man’s book.

1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

But if you’re constantly seeking to man for understanding...

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And Paul said this...

2 Timothy 2:7 KJV
[7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

 

[Dave-L]

I feel that if you think of Jesus as our God, and not our God being God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost you are not thinking of the true God at all, but one your mind creates. They are one.

With this wrong idea you cannot worship God as we are asked to do for these people can only worship a part of God. God the Father becomes that crazy guy who said not to mix fabrics and gave strange orders to people. They don't understand the orders God gave because they are 'bible only" people, and that bible truth is in the NT not the OT. refusing to learn history so they understand what the words used in the OT meant to them at that time helps with their changing the true God to Jesus as the true leading God.

If you worship voices in your head it's idol worship or worse.

 

[notuptome]

They're only a problem for people who don't know how to administer them properly, or for people who battle their continued operation.

I thought scripture stated they were and are administered by the Holy Spirit? Why would you battle the Holy Spirit? If scripture says that tongues end why resist God and endeavor to continue them?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

I thought scripture stated they were and are administered by the Holy Spirit?

Fallacy: equivocation. The Holy Spirit would not have given Paul a message about the administration of tongues and prophecy in the Church if He intended to do all the administration Himself.

Why would you battle the Holy Spirit?

Any other silly questions?

If scripture says that tongues end why resist God and endeavor to continue them?

It doesn't. It says they will end; a crucial difference.

 

[notuptome]

Fallacy: equivocation. The Holy Spirit would not have given Paul a message about the administration of tongues and prophecy in the Church if He intended to do all the administration Himself.

Paul is explaining how God is administering not making space for men to administrate.

Any other silly questions?

Silly meaning ones you cannot answer?

It doesn't. It says they will end; a crucial difference.

Certainly does and history demonstrates it clearly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

Paul is explaining how God is administering not making space for men to administrate.

Really. So where it says, "Do not forbid speaking in tongues", that's God telling humans how He is going to administer the gifts.

You're caught in the trap of your own words.

Silly meaning ones you cannot answer?

Asinine comments will get you nowhere.

Certainly does and history demonstrates it clearly.

Neither will fallacious assertions.

 

[Grandpa]

The only problem with that is that the apostle John effectively closed off any further prophecies: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18)

As to the Scriptures, Abraham told the Rich Man who was in Hades, that if his brothers did not give heed to Moses (the written Torah which is Scripture) they would not believe if one rose from the dead.

The Gospel is called the Word of God, and the Gospel is found in the Bible. And the Bible states that faith (saving faith) cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17). The preaching of the Gospel generates faith in Christ, and those who believe on Him receive the gift of eternal life.

Just go into any thread that attempts to explain eschatology or prophecy. There are as many interpretations as there are people interpreting.

Is each person adding to these things?

Is it possible that someone given the gift of prophecy is one that is shown the correct interpretation of prophecy that is already written down?

And because it is written down everyone else THINKS they understand, but really don't?

So the gift of prophecy is needed, its just that everyone thinks their own personal interpretation of prophecy is the correct one. Too much pride and not enough listening.


Same with trying to eplain that 'hearing' the gospel from someone reading from a book is the way saving faith is generated.

Don't you think that actually hearing God speak, the actual Word of God, would generate more faith than just hearing someone read from a book?

 

[notuptome]

Really. So where it says, "Do not forbid speaking in tongues", that's God telling humans how He is going to administer the gifts.

You're caught in the trap of your own words.

Hardly it is still the Holy Spirit Who moved those folks to speak not the administration of men. These things were to be done decently and in order.

Asinine comments will get you nowhere.

You insist in demeaning yourself.

Neither will fallacious assertions.

You have yet shown anything to support another baseless claim.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

Hardly it is still the Holy Spirit Who moved those folks to speak not the administration of men. These things were to be done decently and in order.

Therefore the Holy Spirit was giving instructions to the Church on how to administer the operation of the gifts. Really, your position is just silly. Find some other battle to fight.

 

[notuptome]

Therefore the Holy Spirit was giving instructions to the Church on how to administer the operation of the gifts. Really, your position is just silly. Find some other battle to fight.

The church as in believers and not pretenders. There were many pretenders in the apostolic church that caused the strife we see in the church at Corinth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

The church as in believers and not pretenders. There were many pretenders in the apostolic church that caused the strife we see in the church at Corinth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You're changing the subject to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

 

[tantalon]

A couple of things: re. Revelation 22: 18, 19. The "book" that is referred too is the book of Revelation. (The canon of scripture had not been compiled yet). Regarding 1 Corinthians 13: 8-12, the scripture is talking about the GIFTS of tongues and knowledge, which will not be necessary after the end comes, and the Kingdom of Heaven is in operation, ( when that which IS PERFECT is come). But they are necessary now, here on Earth, but only in part, verse 12. But when we are "face to face" or in the presence of God, then that which is in part NOW, will be done away, and FULL knowledge bestowed then. Verse 11 speaks of our present knowledge as being child like, but when in heaven, after the end, we will be as adults, in that all truth will be realized in it's fullness.

 

[FlyingDove]

Perfect , [ teleioi (Thayer's Greek #5046)], or 'complete,'

Strong's #5049 Perfect: teleios "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete, perfect

Mounce's Definition perfect: mature, finished

Vines dictionary PERFECT: It is used thus of God in Matthew 5:48; (II) of "things, complete, perfect,

KJV Dictionary PER'FECT, a. L. perfectus, perficio, to complete; per and facio, to do or make through, to carry to the end.
1. Finished; complete;

The OP doesn't mention 1 Cor 13:10 specifically. However, many replies in this thread do. So, my reply is to 1 Cor 13. 13 verses 7 times LOVE is directly mentioned & implied in at least 2 other verses.

So, I read 1 Cor 13:10 to say: When we learn to LOVE (God & one another) our mission well be perfect/complete. My Opinion Only.

 

[KelbyofGod]

It seems that 1 Corinthians 13:10 is speaking about when Christ returns:

Thank you for posting this.

I think you are correct that "JESUS" is the "that which is perfect" which is to come mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:10.

We (humanity) got to see him go, and we (humanity) are to see him come again, and we are are to continue in faith until that day.

This next paragraph includes some personal thoughts on the matter, not intended as persuasive argument:
I thought I was taught that "the second coming of Christ is 'that which is perfect' " by man but in honesty I can't remember where I'd heard it first. I do remember the first time some pastor or person said "it's the bible" and I thought, "No it isn't. It's when Christ (who is perfect) returns". But my dad taught us the value of reading the bible by making us read two chapters each morning as a family , and it's possible (because I'd read the New testament on my own) that God just put that understanding in me when I got to that passage in 1 Cor. 13:10. It would be interesting to find out how often "Christ's return" is taught as being the "that which is perfect" that we are awaiting.

Thanks again for your post.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Perfect , [ teleioi (Thayer's Greek #5046)], or 'complete,'

Strong's #5049 Perfect: teleios "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete, perfect

Mounce's Definition perfect: mature, finished

Vines dictionary PERFECT: It is used thus of God in Matthew 5:48; (II) of "things, complete, perfect,

KJV Dictionary PER'FECT, a. L. perfectus, perficio, to complete; per and facio, to do or make through, to carry to the end.
1. Finished; complete;

The OP doesn't mention 1 Cor 13:10 specifically. However, many replies in this thread do. So, my reply is to 1 Cor 13. 13 verses 7 times LOVE is directly mentioned & implied in at least 2 other verses.

So, I read 1 Cor 13:10 to say: When we learn to LOVE (God & one another) our mission well be perfect/complete. My Opinion Only.

It is man that needs to be perfect, mature, finished, complete, perfect...which will only be fulfilled once we reach the fullness of the stature of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4:11-13 KJV​

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:​

Thank-you Jesus

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

But Jesus is God; the Bible is not.

And Jesus contains all truth....Both the truths which are in the bible, and all truth which could not be contained in the bible. The bible contains a limited amount of truth. Jesus contains an unlimited amount of truth.

There is salvation without a bible, but there is no salvation without Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

The whole epistle to the Corinthians is one of correction not one of praise. Only three specific gifts were to end so all the rest continue. Tongues were a problem in Corinth and they are a huge problem in the church today.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Having the ability to edify himself ("He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself - 1 Cor. 14:4) is NOT a problem, it's a solution.

Not knowing when to refrain from using it may have been a problem, but 1 Corinthians 14 is one chapter written to teach people HOW to use the solution properly.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Whose book?

I was referring to the bible, which was not a thing until a group met 300-ish years after Revelation was written...and (at the commandment of a king, not God) selected certain writings and included them into a volume called "The Bible" (a book of books)

For 300+ years the church had operated without such a volume. They relied on God and had the Holy Ghost to lead them, (as well as having access to those and other writings).

Love in Jesus,
Kelby