The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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The you in that verse is us Christians. The Jews are the enemies of the gospel because they bring in damnable heresies like dispensationalism and antichrist Jew worship. Those whacked ideas make Christians study the Bible to prove to ourselves, not them, that they are wrong. It’s been going on for 2000 years.
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Romans 10:12KJV
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 3:28-29KJV
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 3:28-29KJV
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Who wrote the book of James?
Possibly God the Holy Spirit, the same author of the entire inspired Holy Scripture
Possibly God the Holy Spirit, the same author of the entire inspired Holy Scripture
Many examples are seen in the OT.
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Actually, it does contradict scripture. Once a person has been resurrected in their immortal and glorified body, they cannot be killed and then brought back to be resurrected once again in their immortal and glorified body.
Lazarus died and was raised back to life in his mortal body, which died again. In further support of this, the scripture states that Moses died and God himself buried him. However, there is no scripture which states that God resurrected him. It would therefore be pure conjecture for us to assume that God had resurrected him. As I previously posted, both Enoch and Elijah had never experienced a physical death, which is why these two would be my pick.
I suppose that we will know for sure who the two witnesses will be when we get there.
Lazarus died and was raised back to life in his mortal body, which died again. In further support of this, the scripture states that Moses died and God himself buried him. However, there is no scripture which states that God resurrected him. It would therefore be pure conjecture for us to assume that God had resurrected him. As I previously posted, both Enoch and Elijah had never experienced a physical death, which is why these two would be my pick.
I suppose that we will know for sure who the two witnesses will be when we get there.
If your talking about the Jewish War the only witness of what happened then that we know of is Josephas, Revelation doesn't mention their names but they do represent the Law and the Prophets because their actions are the same as Moses who was given the power to turn the Nile into blood and Elijah who stopped rainful for three years. There is no record of Josephas doing either.
How can people from every nation, tribe, people and language view the bodies of the two witnesses lying in the streets of Jerusalem? You ever hear of webcams and the news media?
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"When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and languages and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them"
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These two witnesses being killed by the beast is a future event. The beast is released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. He's that angel of the Abyss called Abaddon/Apollyon, meaning destroyer.
The two witnesses will do just exactly as scripture states, they will prophesy for 1260 days (3 1/2 years). The scripture does not say that they are there to give something to the people who live there, but to prophesy to them regarding God and the eternal gospel.
And it's not "They were his representatives" but "will be his representatives" future tense. These two witnesses will be able to bring any plague they like upon the earth, as often as they want. The people of the earth will hate them because of their plagues and will celebrate by sending gifts to each other after the beast who comes up out of the Abyss kills them. Three and a half days later, the two witnesses will stand up (resurrect) and all the inhabitants of the earth who will have been gloating over them, will be filled with fear when they stand back up and ascend into heaven before their very eyes.
What you said was
"Telling a group of churches who were about to go through terrible suffering but none of the communication is for them although when it starts in a few millenia it will go fast makes no sense and is borderline cruel." (Post #974)
But apparently is it not cruel to leave bereft of instruction those who would live "in a few millenia" and suffer horribly ... no need to remind them be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life (Rev 2:10), or to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written (Rev 2:17), etc. etc.
In effect, you leave those who suffer abominable acts of violence for their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ without comfort as they endure suffering just because they live beyond the timeframe you allow the Word of God to apply.
It's okay with you that God gives His Word to the believers who lived within the timeframe you allow ... but not okay that God gives His Word to the believers who live within the timeframe He allows.
So you've got proof that "the events in Revelation ... fits the descriptions of what happened at that time in Judea" but you don't provide the proof because you "find it so disgusting that [you] do not look into it if [you] don't have to do so"???
I did not "snatch one verse out of many". I showed you that your insistence that what is written to the churches in Rev 2-3 benefits believers who live beyond the timeframe you allow.
What the chief priests did with the 30 pieces of silver was fulfillment of prophecy.
Have you not read the words of Jesus when He taught about the wheat and the tares? In the world, as well as in our churches, there are tares among the what. The tares are not true believers. The wheat is the true believers. Jesus said let both grow together.
What John wrote in the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is not "past" for us.
Please tell us what events revealed in the Book of Revelation have already taken place and what events are yet future.
Please provide the Scripture to which you refer. There are two uses of the word ἐγγὺς (engys) in Revelation.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
And please note ... Revelation was written 1900+ years ago and we have yet to see the new heavens and new earth revealed in Rev 22.
So ... again ... I caution you in your insistence that Greek ἐγγὺς and/or Greek τάχει mean what you insist is the meaning.
The Scriptures open up when we turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
"Telling a group of churches who were about to go through terrible suffering but none of the communication is for them although when it starts in a few millenia it will go fast makes no sense and is borderline cruel." (Post #974)
But apparently is it not cruel to leave bereft of instruction those who would live "in a few millenia" and suffer horribly ... no need to remind them be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life (Rev 2:10), or to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written (Rev 2:17), etc. etc.
In effect, you leave those who suffer abominable acts of violence for their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ without comfort as they endure suffering just because they live beyond the timeframe you allow the Word of God to apply.
It's okay with you that God gives His Word to the believers who lived within the timeframe you allow ... but not okay that God gives His Word to the believers who live within the timeframe He allows.
So you've got proof that "the events in Revelation ... fits the descriptions of what happened at that time in Judea" but you don't provide the proof because you "find it so disgusting that [you] do not look into it if [you] don't have to do so"???
I did not "snatch one verse out of many". I showed you that your insistence that what is written to the churches in Rev 2-3 benefits believers who live beyond the timeframe you allow.
What the chief priests did with the 30 pieces of silver was fulfillment of prophecy.
Have you not read the words of Jesus when He taught about the wheat and the tares? In the world, as well as in our churches, there are tares among the what. The tares are not true believers. The wheat is the true believers. Jesus said let both grow together.
“Magistrates and churches may remove the openly wicked from their society; the outwardly good who are inwardly worthless they must leave; for the judging of hearts is beyond their sphere.” (Spurgeon)
What John wrote in the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is not "past" for us.
Please tell us what events revealed in the Book of Revelation have already taken place and what events are yet future.
Please provide the Scripture to which you refer. There are two uses of the word ἐγγὺς (engys) in Revelation.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
And please note ... Revelation was written 1900+ years ago and we have yet to see the new heavens and new earth revealed in Rev 22.
So ... again ... I caution you in your insistence that Greek ἐγγὺς and/or Greek τάχει mean what you insist is the meaning.
The Scriptures open up when we turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
What you said was
"Telling a group of churches who were about to go through terrible suffering but none of the communication is for them although when it starts in a few millenia it will go fast makes no sense and is borderline cruel." (Post #974)
But apparently is it not cruel to leave bereft of instruction those who would live "in a few millenia" and suffer horribly ... no need to remind them be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life (Rev 2:10), or to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written (Rev 2:17), etc. etc.
In effect, you leave those who suffer abominable acts of violence for their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ without comfort as they endure suffering just because they live beyond the timeframe you allow the Word of God to apply.
It's okay with you that God gives His Word to the believers who lived within the timeframe you allow ... but not okay that God gives His Word to the believers who live within the timeframe He allows.
So you've got proof that "the events in Revelation ... fits the descriptions of what happened at that time in Judea" but you don't provide the proof because you "find it so disgusting that [you] do not look into it if [you] don't have to do so"???
I did not "snatch one verse out of many". I showed you that your insistence that what is written to the churches in Rev 2-3 benefits believers who live beyond the timeframe you allow.
What the chief priests did with the 30 pieces of silver was fulfillment of prophecy.
Have you not read the words of Jesus when He taught about the wheat and the tares? In the world, as well as in our churches, there are tares among the what. The tares are not true believers. The wheat is the true believers. Jesus said let both grow together.
What John wrote in the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is not "past" for us.
Please tell us what events revealed in the Book of Revelation have already taken place and what events are yet future.
Please provide the Scripture to which you refer. There are two uses of the word ἐγγὺς (engys) in Revelation.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
And please note ... Revelation was written 1900+ years ago and we have yet to see the new heavens and new earth revealed in Rev 22.
So ... again ... I caution you in your insistence that Greek ἐγγὺς and/or Greek τάχει mean what you insist is the meaning.
The Scriptures open up when we turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
"Telling a group of churches who were about to go through terrible suffering but none of the communication is for them although when it starts in a few millenia it will go fast makes no sense and is borderline cruel." (Post #974)
But apparently is it not cruel to leave bereft of instruction those who would live "in a few millenia" and suffer horribly ... no need to remind them be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life (Rev 2:10), or to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written (Rev 2:17), etc. etc.
In effect, you leave those who suffer abominable acts of violence for their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ without comfort as they endure suffering just because they live beyond the timeframe you allow the Word of God to apply.
It's okay with you that God gives His Word to the believers who lived within the timeframe you allow ... but not okay that God gives His Word to the believers who live within the timeframe He allows.
So you've got proof that "the events in Revelation ... fits the descriptions of what happened at that time in Judea" but you don't provide the proof because you "find it so disgusting that [you] do not look into it if [you] don't have to do so"???
I did not "snatch one verse out of many". I showed you that your insistence that what is written to the churches in Rev 2-3 benefits believers who live beyond the timeframe you allow.
What the chief priests did with the 30 pieces of silver was fulfillment of prophecy.
Have you not read the words of Jesus when He taught about the wheat and the tares? In the world, as well as in our churches, there are tares among the what. The tares are not true believers. The wheat is the true believers. Jesus said let both grow together.
“Magistrates and churches may remove the openly wicked from their society; the outwardly good who are inwardly worthless they must leave; for the judging of hearts is beyond their sphere.” (Spurgeon)
What John wrote in the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is not "past" for us.
Please tell us what events revealed in the Book of Revelation have already taken place and what events are yet future.
Please provide the Scripture to which you refer. There are two uses of the word ἐγγὺς (engys) in Revelation.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand (Greek ἐγγὺς).
And please note ... Revelation was written 1900+ years ago and we have yet to see the new heavens and new earth revealed in Rev 22.
So ... again ... I caution you in your insistence that Greek ἐγγὺς and/or Greek τάχει mean what you insist is the meaning.
The Scriptures open up when we turn our hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(I don’t question that He does or can, just that it’s automatic as you suggest.)
If you also believed that the Body of Christ will be raptured before the Tribulation even begins, the idea of James writing only to the Jews will make perfect sense.
Hebrews to Revelations are bible doctrine meant for the Tribulation period, where only Israel is involved.
Us in the Body of Christ get the benefit of reading those doctrine ahead of time of course, which will benefit us, in the current grace dispensation.
Hebrews to Revelations are bible doctrine meant for the Tribulation period, where only Israel is involved.
Us in the Body of Christ get the benefit of reading those doctrine ahead of time of course, which will benefit us, in the current grace dispensation.