Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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DorothyMae said:
But she’s not saying that at all.Who does this? Who here said they were obedient and what did they do? Usually steps if obedience have very interesting ends.
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You have not been listening toher

and your last sentence. What are you trying to say?

are you ever going to answer my question and prove I am bearing false witness against you?
 
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jackrosie said:
Also in one of your posts you actually told me how I should be saved..that is when I switched off....you have no idea how God saves a person.
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Lol

please enlighten me
 
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Pulie said:
How much faith should I have so that you don't question it?, Should it be as small as a mustard seed or as big as the mountain?.

I want to have the type of faith that is unquestionable, probably like yours.
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Jesus said faith of a mustard seed

he also said whoever calls he will hear, and he said whoever comes he will never cast out

is ones faith in God, or is ones faith in how good we are (think we are)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
You have never met God “personally”....scripture please?
You receive the Holy Spirit as your saviour when you are born again.....you do not meet him personally.
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i have given you a list of scripture, why do you keep denying it. You do not recognize the words I used?

i have never met God? So now you are judge?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
i have given you a list of scripture, why do you keep denying it. You do not recognize the words I used?

i have never met God? So now you are judge?
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I am not judge.....you have never met God personally...no one has....you meet him when your body dies....but you must be born again for this to happen....you would perish if you saw God in his full glory.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
i have given you a list of scripture, why do you keep denying it. You do not recognize the words I used?

i have never met God? So now you are judge?
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1John 12.

No -one has ever seen God,but if we love one another.
God lives in us and his Love is made complete in us.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus said faith of a mustard seed

he also said whoever calls he will hear, and he said whoever comes he will never cast out

is ones faith in God, or is ones faith in how good we are (think we are)
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Amen, it is ones faith and relationship with God. Hence the fruits are produced(John 15)
 
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Pulie said:
😂😂😂your so funny.
John15:4"Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself. It must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me".
I have been talking a lot and not quoting scripture. May the above scripture speak for itself.
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How does that differ from what I said? Do you think one can “remain in him” and have no relationship?

The question was why some will be told by Jesus to go away in that passage. I gave the answer Jesus gave, he didn’t know them. No relationship. Why is this funny?
 
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Pulie said:
Yes I can't save myself, I have to depend on God. Without Him I cannot bear any fruits(John 15).

Matthew 7:15-16"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves,by their fruits you will recognize them"...

Matthew 7:21"Not everyone who calls me,Lord,Lord, will enter the Kingdom heaven, but only he who does the will of my father who is in heaven".
Matthew 7:23" Then I will tell them plainly, I never "Knew" you. Away from me, you evil doers".

Why were they rejected on the basis of their fruits?
Why is producing fruit so important?
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They were not rejected on the basis of their fruit.... Jesus did not know them at any point in time.

They boasted of their works... but their works held no merit to Jesus.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
What does this have to do with what I said? I paraphrased gods promise on how we are given eternal life and what it is,

who is at peace with sin?

if your at peace with your sin, then I believe as John, you have never met God personally. You need to be born again
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Because I care about those who suffer from your sin I need to be born again??? Is that so I only care about my salvation?
 
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DorothyMae said:
How does that differ from what I said? Do you think one can “remain in him” and have no relationship?

The question was why some will be told by Jesus to go away in that passage. I gave the answer Jesus gave, he didn’t know them. No relationship. Why is this funny?
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DorothyMae have you been up all night?

Have you figured out works do not save nor keep you saved?
 
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DorothyMae said:
How does that differ from what I said? Do you think one can “remain in him” and have no relationship?

The question was why some will be told by Jesus to go away in that passage. I gave the answer Jesus gave, he didn’t know them. No relationship. Why is this funny?
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I thought you believed in the fact that our works will save us since you don't agree with those who say our works have nothing to do with our salvation. So I thought you were being sarcastic by giving that answer. Am so sorry, I really misunderstood you.
 
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Good works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith in Christ, but not the very essence of faith and also not the means or basis by which we obtain and/or maintain salvation. Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..)
 
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