Roman Catholic?

[_Centurion_]

I minister regularly to a group of Agnostic 160+ IQ Cognitive Sciences Grad Students. In recent months, they've admitted a much greater plausibility of being able to know there is a God; and admit the possibility that one can know God personally if He can be known at all.

You really seem more disillusioned and desperately disappointed than actually believing that it's not possible to even know if there IS a God. True faith is beyond that, of course; but you don't seem to truly be agnostic.

Whatever you're searching for, I hope it finds you.

You certainly hit the nail on the head for what made leave the faith, with disillusioned and desperately disappointed. As an agnostic, as opposed to an atheist,Iim not closed to the existence of God or Gods for that matter, although thats an unnessecary abstraction. I am an Agnostic in the strict sense of the word, being specifically I have no knowledge of God. I of course dont mean that Im unaware of the concept, but I have no knowledge of God in a way Im sure the majority of christians would understand by "knowing God".

Scotland and the UK in general is very secular, and since I left the church relgion has not been relevant to my every day life, although I have always retained an interest in religion, spirituality in an academic fashion in much the same way that I am interested in history, philosphy and life in general.

Anywho thanls again for your kind words.

 

[kujo313]

So... quoting from the Gospel of Luke while thinking about aspects of Our Lord's ministry isn't a good thing?

Why not quote some red letters, instead? Putting black letters in Luke trumps anything in red?

 

[kujo313]

I prefer Ave Maria myself when I pray the Rosary. But neither you or others have addressed exactly how it is wrong in a manner that is convincing. In fact, if you remove the Protestant teaching against praying to the Saints then there is no obvious basis to dismiss the Rosary. Basically to establish that the Rosary to Catholics that the Rosary is wrong you first have to establish that prayer to the Saints is wrong.

Jesus' disciples asked Him to teach them to pray. He started with "Our Father." He did NOT say, "Moses, who art in Heaven".

 

[kujo313]

It's not a sin to go to a protestant church every now and then, but it is a sin to go to a protestant service instead of Mass, and it is a sin to take communion at a protestant church. as for "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" it means basically outside the bounds of Christianity there is no salvation; protestant churches are united imperfectly with the true church therefore salvific faith is possible in them.

Then you'd never be with the apostles in the upper room in Acts 2. THAT is the true CHURCH. Started Jewish, worshipping a Jewish Messiah. Nowhere in the catholic "mass" does that kind of behavior occur.

Paul instructed to not quench the Holy Spirit. Instead, you're trying to claim it as belonging to your religion just as Islam says that Jesus is Muslim.

 

[kujo313]

You're absolutely right in that we don't NEED them. You could be a very good Catholic and never once say the Rosary. That said, for those who do find spiritual benefit in the Rosary, why deny them that? They are meditating on the life of Our Lord, what is so objectionable about that?

Some people claim to get spiritual benefits from drugs. If they're meditating on the life of Our Lord under the influence, ...

 

[wakeup]

What never made sense to me was that the Catholic friends I had considered it a sin to go to any church outside of their own and that all other religions was going to hell except those who were Catholics. I was shocked when I found this out.

and they advice them to multiply the more romans the better for them.

 

[wakeup]

It's not a sin to go to a protestant church every now and then, but it is a sin to go to a protestant service instead of Mass, and it is a sin to take communion at a protestant church. as for "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" it means basically outside the bounds of Christianity there is no salvation; protestant churches are united imperfectly with the true church therefore salvific faith is possible in them.

is this in the bible? why follow than.

 

[kujo313]

is this in the bible? why follow than.

Where two or more Catholics gather with their rosaries..... ? Nope. Aint in there.

 

[Lifelike]

Well, if you read the lives of the saints and religious they are not seeking to be glorified. Do you live like a saint with the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self control? Think of Mother Teresa or any saint, are you really a saint? Some people pray to the Saints (not worship them) for the intercession in prayers. If your read the messages of the Holy Mother in Medejuorje, she said to imitate the saints by living as they did. First you must know how the saints lived. Can you really say you are a saint?

Anyway, you are not Catholic, Crazy4GodWord, so I don't expect you to understand. What branch of religion are you anyway?

Hi Winston. There are not too many Catholics on here. I provided a website link to a Catholic chat and community site if you are interested.

A saint is one washed in the blood of the Lamb. It is Jesus' righteousness that makes us cleaner than snow, not our own works. When paul spoke of the saint is various areas (churches) he was speaking of peopel in progress, human and flawed, but saints non the less due to the redeeming power of Jesus Christ.

 

[Lifelike]

All I know is that all other Christian faiths are break aways from the original 1st century AD catholic faith. I will stick with the original.

No, the catholic church is the result of an apostate church, and those that left "came out of her" because she was and is an abomination lol.

 

[Lifelike]

Do your research. The RCC is a break away from the ORIGINAL Church. In the year 200 or there abouts Constantine decided to take on the Christian faith as the national 'religion' of Rome as a method of not losing control over the people. He understood that if the people had the Word of God, they would have no need of government, because GOD would be their supreme Ruler. This could not be! So incorporating Christianity as the national religion and allowing the pagans to also keep some of their practices ...THIS was the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church. It was an apostasy and heretical, but it was all done to control the people.
In doing this, they forbade the people access to the written word of God and only gave them bits and pieces from the pulpit, along with TONS of religious and unbiblical, legalistics practices that were not found in Scripture. So the doctrine of MAN became what the masses were fed as 'truth' so Rome would not lose control.
This went on for centuries until Martin Luther, a priest, began reading and studying the written word of God..the scriptures, and discoverd that the ROMAN Catholic church had been keeping secrets from the people. Not only was it keeping secrets, it was imposing stiff fines for sins and charging fees for prayers and presumming to judge the spiritual condition of the people of the land. THe RCC had become a vile mixture of the ancient Pharisees and tax collectors all in one. The RCC BECAME the government of Rome...and it was not a righteous government. Hence...the RCC was NOT the First church...."church" meaning the Body of Christ. It was a perverted version OF the First Church...the believers mentioned in the Bible.
Maggie

Well done

 

[dscherck]

Why not quote some red letters, instead? Putting black letters in Luke trumps anything in red?

Huh?
Okay, you lost me there.

 

[dscherck]

Then you'd never be with the apostles in the upper room in Acts 2. THAT is the true CHURCH. Started Jewish, worshipping a Jewish Messiah. Nowhere in the catholic "mass" does that kind of behavior occur.

Paul instructed to not quench the Holy Spirit. Instead, you're trying to claim it as belonging to your religion just as Islam says that Jesus is Muslim.

Actually, there's a lot of parallels between a Jewish Passover service and the Catholic Mass/Liturgy. This is of course proper seeing as the Mass comes from the Paschal Feast celebrated by Our Lord prior to His Crucifixion.

 

[SantoSubito]

Huh?
Okay, you lost me there.

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the words of Christ that are printed in red in most Protestant Bibles. Catholic Bibles generally aren't red lettered, and I'm glad they're not; the red ink strains my eyes.

 

[phil36]

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the words of Christ that are printed in red in most Protestant Bibles. Catholic Bibles generally aren't red lettered, and I'm glad they're not; the red ink strains my eyes.

LoL I agree with you there Santo, I can't read the red writing with my eyesight.

 

[dscherck]

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the words of Christ that are printed in red in most Protestant Bibles. Catholic Bibles generally aren't red lettered, and I'm glad they're not; the red ink strains my eyes.

Oh yeah.... Forgot about that. I never owned a red letter Bible even when I was a Protestant. I did have my grandpa's KJV, and I also had a nice parallel Bible too, but neither of them had red letters.

 

[wakeup]

Where two or more Catholics gather with their rosaries..... ? Nope. Aint in there.

buddha and krishna would be there.

 

[wakeup]

Oh yeah.... Forgot about that. I never owned a red letter Bible even when I was a Protestant. I did have my grandpa's KJV, and I also had a nice parallel Bible too, but neither of them had red letters.

the red stained your eyes; now we know why you can not see clearly.

 

[SantoSubito]

the red stained your eyes; now we know why you can not see clearly.

Actually the red strains my eyes because I am legally blind without glasses or contacts, and not because of any spiritual disposition.

 

[_Centurion_]

Also, it seems counter productive for an advocate to suggest there way of doing things would be responsable for such a spiritual disposition. Or is causing spiritual blindness a good thing. I guess one shouldnt listen trolls, or feed them.

Actually the red strains my eyes because I am legally blind without glasses or contacts, and not because of any spiritual disposition.