1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

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Here's the issue: Miknik and KJV1611 were discussing Matthew 23, in which Jesus was declaring what would happen to "this generation". You quoted a passage from Deuteronomy and referenced a couple of other passages that have nothing to do with Jesus' statement. Instead of making sure that your comments were directly relevant to the topic at hand, you took the word "generation" and went off on an irrelevant tangent.

Your comment, "It would appear this generation is the generation of faith" is essentially saying that the wrath of God would be poured out on the faithful in Christ. Is that what you mean? Are Christians going to answer for the blood of the prophets?

That the other generation is not the generation of the righteous. The righteous one. I referenced from Mathew 23 . The evil generation will not rise.
 

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That the other generation is not the generation of the righteous. The righteous one. I referenced from Mathew 23 . The evil generation will not rise.
Please go back and read my last post... all of it.
 
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Those who are yet in spirits in prison are not born of spirits, they were bound/prison spirits because they were disobedient, read 1 Peter 3:19–20.

I also do not believe in Purgatory that the humans soul are being purified, what I only tell that its like the Purgatory that those fallen angels who were in spirits in prison being purified.
There graves were opened and the born again Old testament saints entered the new order taking us to the mansion in the Sky .Nothing more could hold them Jesus said it is finished .

Fallen angels (messenger) spirits of error do not receive punishment .They are not subject to the gospel .They have no wage of sin applied against them .

When unbelievers (No faith) die. That's the end of sufferings. Having fulfilled the "first death": (not eternal sufferings purgatory ) .Believers are given a new incorruptible body and spirit. It will rise on the last day..
 
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Please go back and read my last post... all of it.

I have read it. Two measures. The measure of faith the unseen golden. And the measure of man, death Two generations . The present corrupted and the new incorruptible

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mathew 23:32- 36

Upon this generation. The generation of corrupted mankind. Not the generation of family 40 yrs or so . The word generation as temporal is not used that way here .And maybe no other place . The generations are temporal and eternal .
 
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There graves were opened and the born lude thagain Old testament saints entered the new order taking us to the mansion in the Sky .Nothing more could hold them Jesus said it is finished .
Remember that the judgment of humans still in the future in the last days and also the general resurrection of the saints.
Do you mean the last day's general resurrection of the saints does not include the Old Testament righteous?


Fallen angels (messenger) spirits of error do not receive punishment .They are not subject to the gospel .They have no wage of sin applied against them .
Jesus said it is finished but the actual general judgement/resurrection of righteous(OT&NT) still in the future.


When unbelievers (No faith) die. That's the end of sufferings. Having fulfilled the "first death": (not eternal sufferings purgatory ) .Believers are given a new incorruptible body and spirit. It will rise on the last day..
Again and again to say, I do not believe in Purgatory and purging the souls of humans because they are not spirit beings.
 

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Bibles from different versions made a different translation of the specific one word in 1 Peter 3:19 just to harmonize on their respective interpretations. Here’s what is written in King James Version and let us first to quote the whole passage of 1 Peter 3:19 up to verse 20, it says "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." Now, we will focus in verse 19 where the said word has a different translation.

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"-KJV

“After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits” -NIV


These are the different interpretations, according to some, they’re the souls of Old Testament believers, whom Jesus liberated from captivity and brought with him to heaven. The preaching of the Gospel(see 1 Peter 4:6), about his death and resurrection, is therefore good news to them, some interpreters have seen Jesus offering a postmortem opportunity for faith and repentance to these “spirits in prison.”

Others have taken these “spirits” to be condemned souls who rejected Noah millennia earlier. For such individuals, Jesus is confirming their condemnation by proclaiming his victory over them and all his enemies in his death and resurrection.

While some interpret that this happened in Noah’s day. Because Peter uses the nebulous language of “spirits,” it is possible that he could be thinking about Noah’s time, rather than hell. Advocates of this view ask why Peter would mention “the days of Noah”(v.20), if he was referring to hell.


Jesus went to the imprisoned souls ( in Hell ) during the 3 days he was in the tomb.. He went their in Spirit because His body was still in the Tomb.. So he was not ( Alive ) if one interprets being alive as having a body..

Jesus preached to them.. meaning He shared the message of salvation to them giving them an opportunity to accept the message or reject the message i believe..

I have never trusted in the NIV..
I do trust in the KJV..
 
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Jesus went to the imprisoned souls ( in Hell ) during the 3 days he was in the tomb.. He went their in Spirit because His body was still in the Tomb.. So he was not ( Alive ) if one interprets being alive as having a body..

Jesus preached to them.. meaning He shared the message of salvation to them giving them an opportunity to accept the message or reject the message i believe..

I have never trusted in the NIV..
I do trust in the KJV..
Jesus is in the Spirit when He went to spirits in prisons.
It is correct that Jesus is not alive in His physical body because it was still in the tomb during 3 days.
Likewise, humans are not alive during their death, they remain unconscious until their resurrection, so their spirits/souls cannot be imprisoned.

So those who were in spirits in prisons were fallen angels who left their first estate that became humans as the Nephilims, when they died there spirits were imprisoned.
 

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Jesus is in the Spirit when He went to spirits in prisons.
It is correct that Jesus is not alive in His physical body because it was still in the tomb during 3 days.
Likewise, humans are not alive during their death, they remain unconscious until their resurrection, so their spirits/souls cannot be imprisoned.

So those who were in spirits in prisons were fallen angels who left their first estate that became humans as the Nephilims, when they died there spirits were imprisoned.
Nope.. The passage specifically talks about those who where in rebellion in the times of Noah.. Which where the contemporaries of Noah..

1 Peter 3: KJV
18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Also there is no point in Jesus preaching to fallen angels.. There is no Redemption for them.. The Atonement of Jesus is only accessible for People..
 
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Remember that the judgment of humans still in the future in the last days and also the general resurrection of the saints.
Do you mean the last day's general resurrection of the saints does not include the Old Testament righteous?



Jesus said it is finished but the actual general judgement/resurrection of righteous(OT&NT) still in the future.



Again and again to say, I do not believe in Purgatory and purging the souls of humans because they are not spirit beings.
The last day is the day believers receive the promise of their new bodies .And in the same twinkling of the eye the letter of the law death with its sufferings of hell will be cast in the judgement fire . Death according to the letter will no rise condemn through corruption another creation for ever more .

There will be no double jeopardy .God will not raise up dead bodies and judge them again .
 
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Nope.. The passage specifically talks about those who where in rebellion in the times of Noah.. Which where the contemporaries of Noah..
1 Peter 3: KJV
18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Also there is no point in Jesus preaching to fallen angels.. There is no Redemption for them.. The Atonement of Jesus is only accessible for People..
Let us see clearly what is written in 1 Peter 3: 19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison..."
It is very clear that Christ
also preached the same Gospel for salvation. Their thousand years in imprisonment, after all they paid the penalty of their wickedness/rebellion and later got the chance to hear the Gospel.

For further clue see #190 and #186.
 
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There will be no double jeopardy .God will not raise up dead bodies and judge them again .
By the way, did anyone here telling that God will raise up bodies and judge them again?
 
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By the way, did anyone here telling that God will raise up bodies and judge them again?
No one directly .

Its a common oral tradition of men in Christian circles .They call it the judgment seat of Christ.
 

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I have read it. Two measures. The measure of faith the unseen golden. And the measure of man, death Two generations . The present corrupted and the new incorruptible

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mathew 23:32- 36

Upon this generation. The generation of corrupted mankind. Not the generation of family 40 yrs or so . The word generation as temporal is not used that way here .And maybe no other place . The generations are temporal and eternal .
The word translated "generation" is consistently used to mean father-to-son, whether in time or in a family line. It is therefore consistent to interpret Jesus' use of the term to mean the people alive in Israel at that time, rather than "all unredeemed makind".
 
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The word translated "generation" is consistently used to mean father-to-son, whether in time or in a family line. It is therefore consistent to interpret Jesus' use of the term to mean the people alive in Israel at that time, rather than "all unredeemed makind".
Not only at that time .But from beginning with the righteous blood, the righteousness of Christ not seen that worked in Abel .

The generation of Christ" as in "all redeemed mankind" The faithless their spiritless blood will be poured out with the others. literal blood return to dust. .No spirit life was given to faithless Cain . They in Adam are called the evil faithless generation . Signs and wonderment seekers. They fall backward slain in the spirit of judgement, mocking the spirit of judgement according to the letter of the law. .

Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. (break the neck unredeemed)
 

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  • thou hast led captivity captive, Ps. 68:18 (Eph. 4:8)
  • they shall take them captives, whose captives they were, Isa. 14:2
  • Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken, Isa. 49:25.
  • captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, Isa. 51:14.
  • he hath sent me … to proclaim liberty to the captives, Isa. 61:1 Luke 4:18
  • to bring out the prisoners from the prison, Isa. 42:7.
  • thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth, Isa. 49:9
  • I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit, Zech. 9:11
"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." - John 10:16
So you're saying that all of those passages are talking about the captives Jesus led free when he ascended?
I guess we'll just have to take them one at a time.
It seems that you are placing some kind of importance on John 10:16 to make your point. The "other sheep" are the Gentiles. Would you agree?
 
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I guess we'll just have to take them one at a time.
It seems that you are placing some kind of importance on John 10:16 to make your point. The "other sheep" are the Gentiles. Would you agree?
The others would be the other sinners saved by work of the Son of man as a labor of love a work between him and the father.
 
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I guess we'll just have to take them one at a time.
It seems that you are placing some kind of importance on John 10:16 to make your point. The "other sheep" are the Gentiles. Would you agree?
Not the Gentiles, because Jesus himself tries to avoid the Gentiles in MATTHEW 10:5–6, and contrary what He says in John 10:16 that the said flock He will personally must come and hear His voice.
 
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The word translated "generation" is consistently used to mean father-to-son, whether in time or in a family line. It is therefore consistent to interpret Jesus' use of the term to mean the people alive in Israel at that time, rather than "all unredeemed makind".
not this teaching. He teaches that Adam is not His Father and then goes on to teach about Adam's generation.
Luke 7
28 I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the
kingdom of God is greater than he.”

31 Jesus went on to say, “To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation
 

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not this teaching. He teaches that Adam is not His Father and then goes on to teach about Adam's generation.
Luke 7
28 I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the
kingdom of God is greater than he.”

31 Jesus went on to say, “To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation
Hi Benadam... I'll have to disagree with you. You skipped two verses, in which the focus shifts from Jesus' words in 22-28 to the Pharisees in verse 30. "This generation" is the one alive at Jesus' time.
 
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Nope.. The passage specifically talks about those who where in rebellion in the times of Noah.. Which where the contemporaries of Noah..

1 Peter 3: KJV
18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Also there is no point in Jesus preaching to fallen angels.. There is no Redemption for them.. The Atonement of Jesus is only accessible for People..
Adstar, the dead human being have no longer consciousness(see Ecclesiastes 9:5 and Psalm 146:4), unlike the angels or fallen angels are spirit beings still have consciousness without the physical bodies, that is why their spirits can be prisoned.

When Jesus preached to the spirits in prison(Hell) this referring to the prison angels because Jesus can preach to them because they are conscious spirit beings.

For further details see post #190 and #186.