Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........It is my spiritual understanding that the Son advocates for us to the Father.
Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........It is my spiritual understanding that the Son advocates for us to the Father.
I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........
Isn't this a great prayer!I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.
...thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Each day the Father provides my daily bread.
I see. It was also in Jesus model prayer (to teach new believers how to pray):Isn't this a great prayer!
When the remnant returned from Babylon they had lost knowledge of the Lord so they gathered a group of wise men to instruct then. It is called the Great Assembly, and it consisted of 120 sages and prophets. One of the things they did was compose this prayer, only in a much longer version. It is not written in scripture but Jews still pray with these words. It is called the Amidah.
. . . Well; as one might guess, that experience motivated me to take a very
strong interest in resolving my concern with Rom 8:9, and got me to
seriously thinking about consulting a pastor because I had been aware of the
possibility of my ending up in hell ever since I was old enough to
understand, but never so worried about it as I was then.
That's right!It is my spiritual understanding that the Son advocates for us to the Father.
Jesus told us to address our prayers directly to the Father. He said to pray like this: Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed by thy name..........
I pray like that each morning before heading out the door to go to work.
...thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Each day the Father provides my daily bread.
Yes, those who find Christ are those who seek Him eagerly. And who are very hungry for Him..
● Rom 8:8-9 . .You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the spirit
of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he
does not belong to Him.
● Rom 8:10-11 . . And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of
sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the spirit of Him
who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus
from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit who
indwells you.
There's a tricky nuance in those two passages that's easily overlooked if one
isn't aware of it.
In a nutshell; the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is the spirit
of a father, whereas the spirit of Christ is the spirit of a son; for example:
● Gal 4:6 . . Because you are sons, God has sent the spirit of His son into
our hearts, calling out, "Abba! Father."
"Abba" is an English transliteration of the Aramaic word abba.
"Father" is an English translation of the Greek word pater.
The Aramaic and the Greek both refer to a male parent. However, there's a
tricky nuance in there.
Pater is a simple noun; whereas Abba is a vocative. In other words; when a
son has his father's attention, then pater is the appropriate way to address
him. But when trying to get his father's attention, then abba is the
appropriate way for the son to address him.
To the point: The voice heard in the man's dream was saying to him (in so
many words): I want you to be my son. Go and find out how; and be quick
about it.
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The model prayer that Jesus taught was not "also", it was the same prayer only Jesus condensed it, summarizing the prayer.I see. It was also in Jesus model prayer (to teach new believers how to pray):
Matt 6:10
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
KJV
Oh I see. I hadn't realised the Jews had added onto that model "Lord's prayer" that Jesus quoted.The model prayer that Jesus taught was not "also", it was the same prayer only Jesus condensed it, summarizing the prayer.
The Jews ruined the prayer by adding to it after Christ, an addition that expresses their belief that Christ is not the Messiah.
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● Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
Back in the decade of the 1970's, during my era as a relatively new covert to
biblical Christianity, I reasoned that if the Spirit of Christ was actually inside
my body, I should be able to detect His presence. I mean, how could
somebody like that possibly be in there without my knowing it?
When I shared my concern with a pastor, he reminded me that the Spirit of
Christ is a sentient paranormal being consisting of something less than thin
air, and that as such He can move about imperceptible by any of the five
natural senses, viz: hearing, sight, taste, touch, and/or smell. Actually, the
same thing can be said of the Devil; he too is a sentient paranormal being
who could be sitting right on your lap this very moment and you'd never
know it.
Had the pastor been a Jehovah's Witness, he probably would've explained
that the Spirit of Christ isn't a sentient paranormal being, rather, it's a state
of mind; so "Spirit" really ought to be spelled with a lower case S instead of
capitalized. For example:
"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil 2:5)
I wasn't then, nor am I now a JW, so that explanation doesn't work for me.
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That is powerful and very scary, because there are Christians out there that do not have to spirit, i would not say all believers have him inside of them. I don't believe i have the spirit myself, and there are a lot of believers that manifest with evil spirits. It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is proof of that and the thief on the cross.● Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
That is powerful and very scary, because there are Christians out there that do not have to spirit, i would not say all believers have him inside of them. I don't believe i have the spirit myself, and there are a lot of believers that manifest with evil spirits. It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is proof of that and the thief on the cross.
You are correct: up to a point. Let me explain.It is possible to be saved without the spirit, the rich man and Lazarus is
proof of that and the thief on the cross.
Have you spoken with Christ about this? Well; according to his instructions;I don't believe i have the spirit myself
Don't worry; just do as the Bible says and you'll be okay.That is powerful and very scary,