Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

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Is not the word of truth that important to you? If you truly believed God has preserved His words for us today, wouldn’t you want to read and study from it? Wouldn’t you want to tell others?
I do read God's word daily and study them in depth, as I have been doing for many, many years. Of course I tell others, but I don't make up "facts" to support an erroneous argument about one single, 400-year-old translation.
 
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To the bolded... NO IT DOES NOT. Go back and read it again and again and again, until you actually SEE the four words IN BETWEEN "preserve" and "forever" that completely undermine your claim.
Dino you are not a KJV language expert by any stretch, you got the idea that God preserves the NEEDY from the antichrist bibles. And now you can't even read the KJV in any other context.

The KJV says that I am protected from PUFFED UP PEOPLE BY THE WORD of God that is preserved forever. As always, let's take the focus from Jesus and his word and put the focus on the FLESH. That's why they are antichrist bibles. They choose the FLESH over the Word over and over.

Psalm 12:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 You, O Lord, will keep them;
You will preserve him from this generation forever.
 

Dino246

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I have given much evidence over the years. Evidence doesn’t matter to you and others. Your convinced that we do not have access to the ppreserved words of God.
You're welcome to make assertions about your beliefs. You are not welcome to make assertions about mine. You can quote me instead.
 

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So the words of the Lord are preserved from this generation forever.

Not "preserved forever", as you and all KJV-only proponents read it. That you all misread the text is rather telling.
Psalms 12:1-8
Help, LORD, for the godly man ceases! For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men. They speak idly everyone with his neighbor; [With] flattering lips [and] a double heart they speak. May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, [And] the tongue that speaks proud things, Who have said, "With our tongue we will prevail; Our lips [are] our own; Who [is] lord over us?" "For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, Now I will arise," says the LORD; "I will set [him] in the safety for which he yearns." The words of the LORD [are] pure words, [Like] silver tried in a furnace of earth, Purified seven times. You shall keep them, O LORD, You shall preserve them from this generation forever. The wicked prowl on every side, When vileness is exalted among the sons of men.

Psalm 12 isn't about the kjv

It's the godly man that the LORD will preserve from this generation forever. See verse 1. The thing the psalm says is in need of preserving / saving.
It is His word to save him that is pure and proven by trials of fire. See verse 5. The actual thing God says in this psalm.

Y'all kjv-ists have this psalm all kinds of twisted, IMO
Because you have no context. You have pretext.
 

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Dino you are not a KJV language expert by any stretch, you got the idea that God preserves the NEEDY from the antichrist bibles. And now you can't even read the KJV in any other context.

The KJV says that I am protected from PUFFED UP PEOPLE BY THE WORD of God that is preserved forever. As always, let's take the focus from Jesus and his word and put the focus on the FLESH. That's why they are antichrist bibles. They choose the FLESH over the Word over and over.

Psalm 12:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 You, O Lord, will keep them;
You will preserve him from this generation forever.
More personal comments. You claim to love, and you claim this love motivates you. I would not call this "love" in any form.

What the NASB says is not the point. Go on; keep misreading your KJV.
 
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My congregation made a choice to go to the ESV many years ago, a fact I do not find pleasing at all :cry: I have been involved in a number of comparative study endeavors and discovered many things not to like about quite a few translations:censored:
That's what we should all do, study to show ourselves approved. That's what I did. I started with NIV and saw major problems with it, so I tossed it in the trash can. It kind of shook my faith a little because I was like everything I believe about God comes from this book and if there are lies in one part of it, how do I know the other parts aren't lies as well. Thankfully God brought me to the KJV.
 
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Westcott and Hort were not on the NASB translation committee.
Says you. The NASB translation is based off of the corrupt manuscripts that Wescott and Hort legitimized to the Christian community.
 

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You have given evidence that the new versions differ from the KJV; that is all. You have not provided evidence that they are not the word of truth. You have set up a standard of "truth" that is not accepted by all. Nobody is obligated to respond to your challenge.

You still have not responded to the proof that the KJV contained sidenotes with alternate readings.
I have provided evidence that the new versions contradict themselves. That’s enough. A faithful witness will not lie.
 

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I do read God's word daily and study them in depth, as I have been doing for many, many years. Of course I tell others, but I don't make up "facts" to support an erroneous argument about one single, 400-year-old translation.
To be known as “God’s word” every word has to be perfect, pure and without error. Does this describe the book you read?
 

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To be known as “God’s word” every word has to be perfect, pure and without error. Does this describe the book you read?
You sure can't get two sparrows for a penny, there is no such coin as a farthing anymore and there certainly wasn't one in Jerusalem, ever - basilisks are imaginary fantasy creatures and Pascha not Eostare was observed by Christ.

So, please use the same measure.
 
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Then how come God didn't just dictate the words in English (or any other language). Why were/are there translators?
Why were there original writers? Why didn't God just send an angel with golden tablets that require special glasses to read them lol. God does what he wants. But he's not incapable of anything especially using words.
 
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You sure can't get two sparrows for a penny, there is no such coin as a farthing anymore and there certainly wasn't one in Jerusalem, ever - basilisks are imaginary fantasy creatures and Pascha not Eostare was observed by Christ.

So, please use the same measure.
You completely missed the parable in the sparrow story. There were 2 sparrows (Old Testament and New Testament believers) bought for a farthing. A farthing is the amount paid to get of prison. Jesus paid that price to purchase the sparrows.

The story is just the shell that holds the true message of God. When you start changing farthings into pennies you COMPLETELY MISS the purpose of the verse. And that's why I stand with the KJV, it is the only bible that maintains the symbolism to make stories like that have meaning.
 

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You sure can't get two sparrows for a penny, there is no such coin as a farthing anymore and there certainly wasn't one in Jerusalem, ever - basilisks are imaginary fantasy creatures and Pascha not Eostare was observed by Christ.

So, please use the same measure.
One at a time. Can one not buy two sparrows for a day's wage?

Matthew 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
 
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You completely missed the parable in the sparrow story. There were 2 sparrows (Old Testament and New Testament believers) bought for a farthing. A farthing is the amount paid to get of prison. Jesus paid that price to purchase the sparrows.

The story is just the shell that holds the true message of God. When you start changing farthings into pennies you COMPLETELY MISS the purpose of the verse. And that's why I stand with the KJV, it is the only bible that maintains the symbolism to make stories like that have meaning.
I just gave the most compelling reason for why the KJV is the inerrant word of God and I will bet my last paycheck that almost none of you will get it. And that's just one of thousands of examples that yall can't see.
 

John146

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One at a time. Can one not buy two sparrows for a day's wage?

Matthew 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
See also a pound, a farthing and a mite
 

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You sure can't get two sparrows for a penny, there is no such coin as a farthing anymore and there certainly wasn't one in Jerusalem, ever - basilisks are imaginary fantasy creatures and Pascha not Eostare was observed by Christ.

So, please use the same measure.
Easter has already been proven to be the correct word pointing to Christ our Passover who was sacrificed for us, as used after the resurrection.
 
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That's what we should all do, study to show ourselves approved. That's what I did. I started with NIV and saw major problems with it, so I tossed it in the trash can. It kind of shook my faith a little because I was like everything I believe about God comes from this book and if there are lies in one part of it, how do I know the other parts aren't lies as well. Thankfully God brought me to the KJV.
You threw a Bible in the trash?? Is that what God or your KJV told you to do? May God forgive you for your sinful behavior.
 

John146

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You threw a Bible in the trash?? Is that what God or your KJV told you to do? May God forgive you for your sinful behavior.
I don't think throwing a false version of God's truth in the trash is a sin.
 
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You completely missed the parable in the sparrow story. There were 2 sparrows (Old Testament and New Testament believers) bought for a farthing. A farthing is the amount paid to get of prison. Jesus paid that price to purchase the sparrows.

The story is just the shell that holds the true message of God. When you start changing farthings into pennies you COMPLETELY MISS the purpose of the verse. And that's why I stand with the KJV, it is the only bible that maintains the symbolism to make stories like that have meaning.
Have you ever seen/used a farthing? No? Well neither did the people of Jesus' time!! A farthing is a former monetary unit and coin of the UK, withdrawn in 1961, equal to a quarter of an old penny. So the translators had to use some word that people understood -- in 1611. Very few people have any idea what a farthing is.