1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

[garee]

Again if you do not believe in the Physical return of Jesus then we are not on the same page.. People who symbolize the entire book of Revelation are doing so to Force it to fit into their ideas rather then just allowing the scriptures to say what they are saying..

It is simply .God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between man and the father called a daysman.

People who make the Son of man Jesus into God are saying we can serves two teaching masters . Jesus did not do the will of the flesh ,but did do the will of the father. No different that any other brother or sister in Christ. The power that worked in the Son of man is from the father, not from the corrupted flesh of the Son of man.

One is our Father not seen the one Good Master.

Some did know him after the flesh until that window of opportunity closed for ever and ever. The father resisted men worshipping him after the flesh the temporal what the eyes see. At time Jesus hid himself as the father worked in the Son . Remember in the last days the father spoke directly through the Son. His life was a living parable which without the father spoke not.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long is yet now henceforth know we him no more?

God is not a man. The faithful Creator could never be a creation. It would have a beginning. God has none.

 

[Dino246]

It is simply .God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between man and the father called a daysman.

Job is not talking about Jesus.

People who make the Son of man Jesus into God are saying we can serves two teaching masters .

Jesus IS God. Deal with it.

No different that any other brother or sister in Christ.

Dead wrong! Jesus is God; you and I are not.

The power that worked in the Son of man is from the father, not from the corrupted flesh of the Son of man.

The flesh of the Son of man was never corrupted.

At time Jesus hid himself as the father worked in the Son .

Impossible. Jesus IS the Son.

God is not a man. The faithful Creator could never be a creation. It would have a beginning. God has none.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is eternal.

You have rejected the deity of Jesus Christ. That makes you a heretic.

 

[Benadam]

The faithful Creator could never be a creation.

to me is what makes God so awesome. That The Same God that created all that is would become an embryo in a mother's womb. Woah!

See that infant there? Lookin straight at ya. That's God. That happened.

 

[garee]

to me is what makes God so awesome. That The Same God that created all that is would become an embryo in a mother's womb. Woah!

See that infant there? Lookin straight at ya. That's God. That happened.

LOL That's odd he looking straight at me living in me . A Twin?

I know what infants look like .Not like God who has no form (DNA). God is not a creature. Impossible, God has no beginning . We walk by faith the eternal not seen not after the corrupted flesh.

Whose will did Jesus do? Same as yours are mine.? The will of the father? or the will of his corrupted flesh which according to the law it must of been corrupted. Why do you think it must signified as sinful?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Next chapter confirms the law. Then he was seen (the one time demonstration of Him and the father ) never again . ?Why a fleshly Jesus? No faith needed? The temporal is the eternal ?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long is yet now henceforth know we him "no more"?

 

[garee]

Job is not talking about Jesus.

You have no offered one verse to help support your ideas. Doe the Bible say he is a man or not a man ? which teaching master. Men or God

Yes he is talking about someone who when called Good Master "daysman" they world agree And not give glory to God not seen Like. look at me and believe I am God .

Jesus the prophet apostle was a man just like you or I. He would never stand in the holy Place of God not seen .Abomination of desolation

He gave glory to God saying one is our Good master, God.

Jesus IS God. Deal with it.

Amen yes! As the Son of God he remains without mother and father beginning of spirit life or no end . . as the Son of man used in a one time propmised denonstration, no.

Dead wrong! Jesus is God; you and I are not.

Jesus the apostle prophet? Whose words was he sent with?

The flesh of the Son of man was never corrupted.

Where is the support from the scriptures.

Its what sinful flesh does reveal a dying mankind. Jesus did d not perform the things of the flesh. The father empowered Jesus.

Impossible. Jesus IS the Son.

Son of God yes. Son of man demonstrating dying flesh and blood The Son of man aged as in corruption.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is eternal.

You have rejected the deity of Jesus Christ. That makes you a heretic.

You have blasphemed eternal God by saying he is a flesh and blood creature. The same thing the faithless ones in Acts 14 Making gods in the likeness of men. blasphemy. Peter performed that also .The father gave Jesus words to rebuke Satan. The Son of man had no power in that way like us. The Lord rebukes .

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is eternal.

Yes, he did not sprout flesh and blood over night Eternal Spirit. Not eternal man .

 

[Benadam]

How long is yet now henceforth know we him "no more"?

This passage explains the now, what we will be and how.

John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

 

[garee]

This passage explains the now, what we will be and how.

John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Exactly, in our new incorruptible bodies we will see him as he is. Invisible God. Not mankind after corruptible flesh .Corruption, it will not enter the new order

 

[Dino246]

You have blasphemed eternal God by saying he is a flesh and blood creature.

It's clear that you don't understand what I have said. Because of that, your accusations are empty.

 

[Benadam]

You have blasphemed eternal God by saying he is a flesh and blood creature. The same thing the faithless ones in Acts 14 Making gods in the likeness of men. blasphemy. Peter performed that also .The father gave Jesus words to rebuke Satan. The Son of man had no power in that way like us. The Lord rebukes .

The temporal is the eternal ?

are you thinking that temporal mean.

 

[Benadam]

Exactly, in our new incorruptible bodies we will see him as he is. Invisible God. Not mankind after corruptible flesh .Corruption, it will not enter the new order

Then we will be like him.

 

[Benadam]

Exactly, in our new incorruptible bodies we will see him as he is. Invisible God. Not mankind after corruptible flesh .Corruption, it will not enter the new order

How will our bodies become incorrupt? According to this passage it is because we will see him as His.

 

[Adstar]

It is simply .God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter set between man and the father called a daysman.

People who make the Son of man Jesus into God are saying we can serves two teaching masters .

I did not realize we where this far apart.. I believe Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. Jesus and The Father are one.. By the Holy Spirit i say Jesus is LORD!!! When one is serving Jesus they are serving the Father and one is serving the Father they are serving Jesus because Jesus and the father and the Holy Spirit are One..

Jesus did not do the will of the flesh ,but did do the will of the father. No different that any other brother or sister in Christ. The power that worked in the Son of man is from the father, not from the corrupted flesh of the Son of man.

This has nothing what so ever to do with what i have said in this thread.. Where did i ever say that Jesus did thing by the will of the flesh?????????????????? Don't put words i never said into my mouth..

One is our Father not seen the one Good Master.

Once again we are so far apart it is like day and night.. I am not a slave to a master.. I am an adopted son of a loving Father as a Christian i call out Abba not master..

Romans 8: KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. {15} For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

2 Corinthians 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long is yet now henceforth know we him no more?

This is stating that they no longer had the flesh Jesus present with them.. They know Him in Spirit because He was with them and is now with us in Spirit..

God is not a man. The faithful Creator could never be a creation. It would have a beginning. God has none.

Your not a Christian.. Simple as that.. Jesus was in the beginning with God and was God He was not created indeed God created through Jesus.. The Body of Jesus was created for Him to dwell in for a time.. Jesus was not created when His flesh body started in Mary..

Jesus said::

John 17: KJV
4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. {5} And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

 

[garee]

How will our bodies become incorrupt? According to this passage it is because we will see him as His.

These bodies will no become incoruutped .

Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

We are receiving new bodies not made after the rudiments of this corrupted creation .New heaven and earth, the former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

We live in a body that lust after the temporal things seen. Being tempted here or there after the god of this world.

.That will be removed when the letter of the law Death is cast into the fiery judgement of Christ. It will not rise and condemn to death through corruption another entire creation. And our understanding by which we see him
will not be influenced by evil .

God has no literal face .We see him in the knowledge he has revealed of Himself.

"Face to face" is the same as "faith to faith" the unseen eternal to the same eternal not seen Trusting to trusting .

That trust was exchanged for the things the eyes see the temporal .

The father of lies said. . . You shall surely not die. look at me and live. No need for faith. See and beleive. The glory of our invisible God departed.

No flesh and blood battles between God and the creature whose legs were cut off so that he could not walk . Walking is used to understand. Satan has no understanding of the gospel .He is not subject to salvation.

His goal is to murder the whole human race. And in that way he thinks he had overcome and one of them must be the Christ. .

 

[garee]

I did not realize we where this far apart.. I believe Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. Jesus and The Father are one.. By the Holy Spirit i say Jesus is LORD!!! When one is serving Jesus they are serving the Father and one is serving the Father they are serving Jesus because Jesus and the father and the Holy Spirit are One..

Not a salvation issue. But more of how can we hear God who dwells in us.?

Yes, manifested in the flesh. The invisible "Made known" using the temporal things seen in order to understand the unseen things of God, called faith .

The disciples who were leaning how to walk by a exclusive faith of Christ in doubt asked Jesus . show us the father than we will beleive (exercise or work out the faith)

Jesus reminded them as a prophet apostle sent by the will of the father. His whole life was a living parable every movement was according to the power of the father that dwelt in that body of sin . .Yet he knew no sin.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Once again we are so far apart it is like day and night.. I am not a slave to a master.. I am an adopted son of a loving Father as a Christian i call out Abba not master..

Romans 8: KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. {15} For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

Abba as Lord as one Good Master yes. They are the same ones that recognize they are not to murmur . But rest( sabbath) when we are yoked with Christ he makes our burden lighter.

Not as many as are led by the temporal corruptible flesh of the Son of man, they are the sons of God.

We are a murmuring fallen creation. No heaven on earth. A creation that was designed to be subject to its Master.

Natural man serves the other kind of master. (not seen) .He works in the disobedient hearts of mankind

Philippians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Free will is the freedom within to do the will of God not seen.

This is stating that they no longer had the flesh Jesus present with them.. They know Him in Spirit because He was with them and is now with us in Spirit..

Yes .The Son of man was no different than any other man in that way . do the will of one inside (the temple of God) not made with human hands .

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Your not a Christian.. Simple as that.. Jesus was in the beginning with God and was God He was not created indeed God created through Jesus.. The Body of Jesus was created for Him to dwell in for a time.. Jesus was not created when His flesh body started in Mary..

Jesus said::

John 17: KJV
4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. {5} And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

"

Yes, the Holy Spirit that dwelt in his earthen body of death was not created.Only the flesh he inherited from his mother.

Some think it makes Mary. . . the Queen of heaven as if there was such a thing as "holiness of the corrupted flesh and blood".

No power was attributed to the corruptible flesh as if it could profit for something other that a one time outward demonstration of Him and the Father not seen. Those who do attribute that power to the flesh commit blasphemy.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: No power from the flesh .

Power of The Spirit by the resurrection from the dead: not the fleshly birth.

The father did the rebuking as words put in the mouth of His apostle the Son of man, Jesus. Just as he does with us powerless ones .

 

[Benadam]

We live in a body that lust after the temporal things seen. Being tempted here or there after the god of this world.

That's because our body dies. It is subject to involuntary movements associated with survival. That is embarrassing and it's why Adam and Eve covered themselves. Our bodies became like any other animals body. A body with its own law p. As Paul called it a body of death.

That wasn't the condition of the body before sin. It wasnt the condition of Jesus body either. His body is not a body of death.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"-KJV

“After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits” -NIV

I think it means that he declared himself as the messiah and brought all people from paradise into heaven, pastors at my church say he brought people to heaven and we no longer go to paradise but straight to God now.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I think it means that he declared himself as the messiah and brought all people from paradise into heaven, pastors at my church say he brought people to heaven and we no longer go to paradise but straight to God now.

Hello Prycejosh1987!

Your pastors are correct in that, when a believer dies their spirits depart and go to be in the presence of Christ:

"Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Cor.5:6

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. - Phil.1:21-24

Among others proofs of this, we also have the Martyrs of the 5th seal who will have been killed by those on the earth and whose spirits are shown to be under the altar in heaven, conscious and aware.

And as you said, prior to Christ the righteous went down into the paradise side of Hades where Abraham, the rich man and the rest of the OT saints were. It was that paradise side of Hades that Jesus was speaking of when He said to the thief crucified next to him "Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."