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jackrosie

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EleventhHour said:
I am trying believe me .. I am. :)
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So...because you don’t understand my saving..I’m not saved in your eyes?
If it is..I don’t have a problem with it...because you weren’t saved the same way as me....mine was personal...
I was all alone on my bed sobbing.
 
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jackrosie said:
I told you I heard the gospel / message at school....what is wrong with you..do you ever listen.

I cried out to Jesus because I had been searching inside myself how I was as a person for yrs beforehand.
I was a complete and utter mess.
That’s as far as I’m going...very private and personal was my saving.
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I think a testimony is good to share always of course.

But the problem is that you seemed to be stating that you had a spiritual experience without knowledge of the Gospel.

There has to be some "hearing" of the Good News, which is in the Bible, that was done in person's life at some point.

So then you should have been in agreement all along it would seem to me.
 
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jackrosie said:
So...because you don’t understand my saving..I’m not saved in your eyes?
If it is..I don’t have a problem with it...because you weren’t saved the same way as me....mine was personal...
I was all alone on my bed sobbing.
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I never stated that at all.

You really read way to much into my posts.
Way to much.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So you went to him because you acknowledge you were a sinner
and you believe you have eternal life that he who began a good work will complete it. Ie. You are eternally secure or hold to the fact that once you were saved you will always be saved?
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Correction.. God didn’t testify to my spirit what your words are here...but he testified that I was born again...that Jesus died on the cross for me because he loved me....the next day after my saving...my Spirit was alive and saw his creation through the Spirit..it was quite amazing.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Because she knew about Jesus but did not know it was in the Bible.

When someone told me the Gospel ...... they cited scripture many times and told me this IN the BIBLE.
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Wrong wrong wrong..I knew Jesus was in the bible scripture!!!!....you aren’t listening.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I did pose it as a question not an assertion.
Please give me a break.
There have been Muslims that have made this claim.
Just wondering about it.
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Give “you” a break.......haaaaaaa.thats a joke...give me a break as well...you can’t run roughshod over EG.

Because HE READS AND ABSORBS MY POSTS AND OTHERS.....sorry,you weren’t listening.thats why I had to shout.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
How do you get this from what she said?
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I understand your teaching...I don’t understand eleventhhour..only when she posts scripture....she twists and turns members posts so does dc..they have a terrible habit of doing that.

I think it’s the speed they both go at on this thread..it’s like lightning..I’m just as bad mind.
 
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SoulWeaver said:
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

In the next verse we read:
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Why did they already do something as you said ("always obeyed")? Work is immediately attributed to God, God worked in them first to desire righteousness, and then do things He liked. They are defined as a receiving participant.

Mary the mother of Jesus, as an example. Did she knit her body to be healthy and fertile, or initiate puberty? Did she engage in anything to bring pregnancy about, or even ask God for one? Did she deliver herself from stoning by an angry mob? Did she deliver Jesus from Herod? Did she guarantee by her will and effort not to miscarry or have stillbirth? Did she facilitate the travail or break water?

None of this is her work. Yet Mary is a participant in God's plan. But she must be doing something? She did receive (heard and believed) the Word of God to start with. She is a vessel for God's use. "Let everything you have said happen to me". God does not share His glory, but we are involved. I'd say our participation is one of receiving.

We can't boast, because we are receiving something that could not originate from us. Being a receiving participant isn't something we can claim as work, but I don't think receiving is doing nothing, either, if we look at receiving in Biblical context. Receiving isn't exactly a work, but also isn't exactly doing nothing, it's being still. Being still and accepting what God gives is a lot harder to do than jumping in with our ideas, which is a movement from the flesh, and comes very easy and naturally to man. By receiving, as opposed to us trying to act on our own, we mortify the works of the flesh.
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I’ve never met a single person who obeyed God who boasted. And I know so many who have. No one who obeys God has the attitude you describe above.

The verse tells the reader to obey. Doesn’t say God is doing it all. Those who find themselves disappointed with their behavior cannot blame God for not willing and not doing enough.

If the many do want to obey God or wait until He overwhelms them with Agape love, they’ll be disappointed. If they insist loving God is not something they need to choose but God does it all, they’ll be disappointed. But He sovereignly lets them stay that way and NEVER EVER forces Himself on anyone as that is evil.
 
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jackrosie said:
Give “you” a break.......haaaaaaa.thats a joke...give me a break as well...you can’t run roughshod over EG.

Because HE READS AND ABSORBS MY POSTS AND OTHERS.....sorry,you weren’t listening.thats why I had to shout.
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You know what you are doing is you are causing a lot of dissension and it is really sad.

I have know many people on this thread for several years, like @eternally-gratefull, @Rosemaryx @star and @dcontroversal @stonesoffire @mailmandan and maybe even @Duskey ... although not quite sure on that one yet, however for the most part and we have been very supportive of each other.

and what I stated was "Please" give me a break" which is not in a angry tone but in rather a tone of pleading .. as you should know you know me and give me some allowance to question.

I am not going to be part of your attempts to cause strife .. It is plain to see.

You pit people against each other not good.
 
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walknlight said:
Have you not read the Old Testament? Genesis - Acts?
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Yes. God allows these things, even cannibalism.
Allowing is. not making happen and I’ve Read the whole Bible many times. Please produce an example.
Have you not read?

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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That is not moral evil. God cannot do moral evil. That verse means calamity.
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
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Thats not moral evil but judgement. When God acts, His will us done. Doesn’t mean his will is done by all 24/7.
Are you being serious in these statements?
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I am. What do you take exceptionto?
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DorothyMae said:
Only if you choose to obey. It’s up
to us because obedience costs one. Many like salvation but not obedience.
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Eh..if I don’t obey he chastised me...I don’t believe what you say above DorothyMae.

What do you mean many like salvation but not obedience....I don’t agree with that either..sorry.
 
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jackrosie said:
Eh..if I don’t obey he chastised me...I don’t believe what you say above DorothyMae.

What do you mean many like salvation but not obedience....I don’t agree with that either..sorry.
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Well do you find that your known obedience to Him increases?

You can read the numerous posts that praise their salvation but how many write to encourage others to obey? The NT is full of words to encourage obedience. But here? ..just how wonderful it is to be saved. Don’t you see that?
 
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