There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of All, On The Last Day

[Truth7t7]

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Furthermore, the words in John 14:1-3 are very clear -- I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF. That can only be applied to the Rapture.

It pertains to the second coming, and resurrection.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture in scripture.

 

[Guojing]

This is improper exegesis. Even though Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, His words and His salvation were for all mankind, as is very clear from the Gospels. Indeed there are very few things addressed specifically to Jews.

Furthermore, the words in John 14:1-3 are very clear -- I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF. That can only be applied to the Rapture.

How can Jesus claim he is sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, and also claim his words are also to the Gentiles?

Oh well, it seems you are only clear in your own mind.

 

[Journeyman]

The scripture makes no claim that Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob are resurrected 100% "False"

The scripture claims they are part of the living, just as all those in faith.

Matthew 22:32KJV
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Psalm 69:28KJV
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Psalm 116:9KJV
I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living.

You left out vs.31 from Mt.22. Jesus equated the living in vs.32 to the resurrected in vs.31.
In fact, Rev.20:6 tells us people of the "1st" resurrection can't be harmed by the second death. They cant be harmed because of their faith in Jesus. That's all.

 

[cv5]

Ps 17:15
As for me, I will see Your face in righteousness; I shall be satisfied when I awake in Your likeness.

 

[cv5]

How can Jesus claim he is sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, and also claim his words are also to the Gentiles?

Oh well, it seems you are only clear in your own mind.

Jesus was addressing his disciples a.k.a. Christians.

 

[Guojing]

Jesus was addressing his disciples a.k.a. Christians.

Why not, aka human beings instead? Wouldn't that be even broader?

 

[cv5]

Why not, aka human beings instead? Wouldn't that be even broader?

Sloppy exegesis is the hallmark of confused Christians and snake-oil selling heretics.

 

[Absolutely]

Well techicly if you notice there is evidence to support the post tribulation theory as well as a mid and pre one, really we read and understand what the word says with our own understanding views and beliefs of what truth and what real doctrine is. if you look all over the bdf of these kinds of threads everyone seems to see the same verses but have a different take on it we all see our own views as the actual truth while the opposing views as false doctrine or malicious lies and even an offense to the word.

But have ever considered to actually try to understand what the other person is saying? have ever considered that maybe our own views and beliefs are somewhat biased and thus make every other evidence to be contrary? God's word doesn't contradict itself only we do, I am by no means an expert on understanding the scriptures but I do think we all need to at least try to understand where the other person is coming from.

maybe instead of trying to point out where the opposing beliefs and scriptures are we should try to see how they are actually connected deeply ponder it and see what God reveals to us. We can spend countless hours debating each other as to why we are wrong or right or instead try to understand where we are coming from.

People jump on a thread about the rapture because of how heated and sensitive a topic it is, countless threads have done this seen this and made the forum a field of blood insults mockery and quite frankly not a very productive place to produce fruits.

But what if maybe this once instead of continuing the tradition of literally every other rapture thread we break the cycle?

Evidence?
Where?
In 40 years of study I have never seen a postrib rapture verse.

Could you post a verse please?

 

[Absolutely]

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This is speaking of the 1st Resurrection. It sounds like the raptured ones are included in this. The 2nd is the Resurrection of the damned that happens 1000 years later at the time of the Great White Throne Judgement.

Yes it is clear there is more than one resurrection and rapture.

We see a "rapture" with no resurrection in rev 14.
Jesus is the firstfruits.

Firstfruits points to the rest of the harvest

Harvest is 4 parts.(or 3 depending on if "corners/gleaners" are combined)

 

[Absolutely]

Your claim is false as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV clearly shows the future "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ and the "Resurrection", Just One Example

The (Last Day) Second Coming And Resurrection Seen Below.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

....but in your 1 resurrection model there is no trip to heaven at all. The kingdom and the new jerusalem are on the planet.

That idea you have is really far fetched.

There is a losing of satan after the mil and more mortals killed.
No way does one resurrection even begin to fit.

Plus "the dead in Christ " are the only ones raised at the main rapture with a second rapture during the gt in rev 14.

That pesky "the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST" is like a 50ft billboard in your yard testifying against your false belief.

 

[Absolutely]

There is only"One" future second coming, there is only "One" future resurrection

Dispensationalism does nothing more than take the second coming and try to change it into a pre-trib rapture, you think the entire body of Christ is ignorant of this fact

Where is the bride / groom after thought taught in postrib one resurrection doctrine.

I find it strange that that dynamic being one of 3 MAJOR MAJOR apexes of GODS PURPOSE being left TOTALLY AND RED FLAG COMPLETELY out of 99% of end times discussion


The last supper dialog the wedding feast parable,rev 19,and mat 25....all bring in that dynamic.

A major component.
It is as if you design a plane with no steering whatsoever.

It is eternally canonized that the FIRST MIRACLE was at a wedding.

Law of first listing.
First is the main ingredient every time.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is the bride / groom after thought taught in postrib one resurrection doctrine.

I find it strange that that dynamic being one of 3 MAJOR MAJOR apexes of GODS PURPOSE being left TOTALLY AND RED FLAG COMPLETELY out of 99% of end times discussion


The last supper dialog the wedding feast parable,rev 19,and mat 25....all bring in that dynamic.

A major component.
It is as if you design a plane with no steering whatsoever.

It is eternally canonized that the FIRST MIRACLE was at a wedding.

Law of first listing.
First is the main ingredient every time.

The marriage supper takes place in the "Eternal Kingdom", as the New Jerusalem is prepared as the bride.

You will closely note below, the first heaven and earth are passed away, dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

Luke 22:18KJV
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Revelation 21:1-2KJV
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Truth7t7]

....but in your 1 resurrection model there is no trip to heaven at all. The kingdom and the new jerusalem are on the planet.

That idea you have is really far fetched.

There is a losing of satan after the mil and more mortals killed.
No way does one resurrection even begin to fit.

Plus "the dead in Christ " are the only ones raised at the main rapture with a second rapture during the gt in rev 14.

That pesky "the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST" is like a 50ft billboard in your yard testifying against your false belief.

You have been shown "Several Times" this "PLANET" is gone.

The Eternal kingdom and New Jerusalem are in the New Heaven and .Earth

Immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming and last day resurrection, the Lord "DISSOLVES" the heavens and earth by fire in final judgement 2 Peter 3:10

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes it is clear there is more than one resurrection and rapture.

We see a "rapture" with no resurrection in rev 14.
Jesus is the firstfruits.

Firstfruits points to the rest of the harvest

Harvest is 4 parts.(or 3 depending on if "corners/gleaners" are combined)

There is "One" future resurrection of "All" this takes place on the (Last Day) immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and final judgement, as the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lords fire.

The Last Day Resurrection Of All

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 13:37-43KJV
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Absolutely]

The marriage supper takes place in the "Eternal Kingdom", as the New Jerusalem is prepared as the bride.

You will closely note below, the first heaven and earth are passed away, dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

Luke 22:18KJV
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Revelation 21:1-2KJV
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Last supper has it in heaven.
Hands down in heaven.
Rev 19 says "the bride has become the wife."

Mat 25 has half the church entering the marriage chamber....taken away by the groom,Jesus.
Rev 14 has the main body of jews taken by Jesus after the firstfruit jews....to heaven...during the gt....directly correlating to the declaration at the first miracle "you saved the best for last".
Ist miracle at a wedding feast with the last being the best(his covenant people the jews).

But rev 14 is the tread killer because in your doctrine, you have the dead in Christ raised AFTER the living are gathered in rev 14

 

[Absolutely]

You have been shown "Several Times" this "PLANET" is gone.

The Eternal kingdom and New Jerusalem are in the New Heaven and .Earth

Immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming and last day resurrection, the Lord "DISSOLVES" the heavens and earth by fire in final judgement 2 Peter 3:10

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

...and yet Jesus comes back to this planet.
Satan is chained on this planet
And after 1000 years....on this planet...satan is loosed and another battle fought...on this planet.

The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven to this planet after the last battle.

You were sayin???

 

[Truth7t7]

...and yet Jesus comes back to this planet.
Satan is chained on this planet
And after 1000 years....on this planet...satan is loosed and another battle fought...on this planet.

The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven to this planet after the last battle.

You were sayin???

Satan will be loosed at the "end of the tribulation" to gather the nations to Armageddon Rev 20:7-10

Jesus Christ will return to this earth, and as his spiritual far though down on the Mt. Olivet the earth is "Dissolved" in his final fire in judgement as 2 Peter 3:10 takes place.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Blain]

Evidence?
Where?
In 40 years of study I have never seen a postrib rapture verse.

Could you post a verse please?

Well it really is about perspective, that the point of my post. We all see in a different way and most of the time based on what we ourselves already believe to be truth. The ressurection jacobs trouble the furnishing of the saints those who refuse to take the mark of the beast and are slain for it, these are common things used by post trib believers, We read the same thing but see something else entirely who don't believe in the post trib.
You have seen the evidence just not believed, the fact it is evidence however is not to be mistaken as fact, in every investigation evidence is gathered to build a case for conviction but each piece of evidence is merely a part of the whole picture until enough is found to build a case against the accused person. Evidence itself is merely that evidence but until it becomes fact that is all it is.

My point was that we all read the same verses but we are biased what we believe to be the truth can be false to another believer, perception interpretation understanding, these things though we say we read and understand with the holy spirit are in fact a major factor in our understanding and beliefs in the doctrine and far to much instead of prepareing our hearts for the rapture or the tribulation or which ever one is the actual truth we argue and debating the same beaten horse over and over.

I lean more towards a prewrath or pretrib rapture but I also do not allow myself to close the possibility of a mid or post rapture either because no matter what I beleiev or how true I think my view is how often has God actually doen what we expect in the way we expected?

What if we believe in the pretrib or mid trib fully with all our hearts but the tribulation comes and we think we were left behind? What if we did not prepare our hearts for the coming tribulation because of what we ourselves thought was truth?

 

[Diakonos]

"those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment" (John 5:29)

"Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years" (Rev 20:6)

 

[Truth7t7]

Evidence?
Where?
In 40 years of study I have never seen a postrib rapture verse.

Could you post a verse please?

Matthew 24:29-31 below clearly shows
The second coming and last day resurrection

1.) You see (Immediately after the tribulation)

2.) They Shall see the Son of Man Coming

3.) Angels, the 7th and last trump, the elect church is raptured/resurrected "Post-Trib"!

Exactly the same event of the "Post-Trib" rapture as seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17

"Same Event"

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"Same Event"

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.