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We don't judge the person's soul for that is up to God to do. However, we do and should judge the actions of a person, the words of a person, and most definitely the doctrine/preaching/leadership of any person on spiritual matters. There are false teachers, leaders, preachers and absolutely FALSE DOCTRINE.
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It only because Jesus finished that we are able to start...otherwise we would still be trying to finish what He started.
He states the account is paid in full!
He states the account is paid in full!
Jesus said that when He was dying. are we dying too . ? . . .
22“The Son of Man must suffer many things,” He said. “He must be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” 23Then Jesus said to all of them, “If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.…
Luke 9 : 23
Well, the owner promised to keep it open if he got enough money from the members. He got the money and suddenly some months later he shut it down without warning.
The interesting bit for me was God told me to withdraw for some months before the appeal so I missed the whole financial campaign that led to members being swindled out of funds because I obeyed. I returned when told I could but the financial goal had been reached already. Hearing from God saved me from what my brethren walked blindly into. They paid but he shut it down anyway.
The interesting bit for me was God told me to withdraw for some months before the appeal so I missed the whole financial campaign that led to members being swindled out of funds because I obeyed. I returned when told I could but the financial goal had been reached already. Hearing from God saved me from what my brethren walked blindly into. They paid but he shut it down anyway.
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You are so kind.
Thank you for the support .. it means a lot.
It does take time and effort on my part, and you know there many beaches where I live, with trails and such where I could be spending more time rollerblading, biking and multitude of other activities and leave my phone at home ... but yet I earn to defend the Gospel as we are called to do. .. we shall see.
Agree, when people twist constantly it shows a lot about them.
Thank you for the support .. it means a lot.
It does take time and effort on my part, and you know there many beaches where I live, with trails and such where I could be spending more time rollerblading, biking and multitude of other activities and leave my phone at home ... but yet I earn to defend the Gospel as we are called to do. .. we shall see.
Agree, when people twist constantly it shows a lot about them.
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It's been a little while, but the main thing I remember about Dottie is debating OSAS vs. NOSAS with her. I don't recall her getting mean and nasty with me, but there were others on that site who were extremely mean and nasty! Straw man arguments, slander, hateful remarks became the norm towards the end of my stay there. I made one final post on that site letting everyone know I was fed up with that toxic environment and I left. I did check back a couple of months later and noticed that the site had been shut down. It's a good thing because that site turned into a real nightmare and the mods there did absolutely nothing about it. It became a hate filled free for all!
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It's been a little while, but the main thing I remember about Dottie is debating OSAS vs. NOSAS with her. I don't recall her getting mean and nasty with me, but there were others on that site who were extremely mean and nasty! Straw man arguments, slander, hateful remarks became the norm towards the end of my stay there. I made one final post on that site letting everyone know I was fed up with that toxic environment and I left. I did check back a couple of months later and noticed that the site had been shut down. It's a good thing because that site turned into a real nightmare and the mods there did absolutely nothing about it. It became a hate filled free for all!
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Not sure I agree with you on this point.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to convey.
The people I was referring to are belivers that I have spoken to walked with.
For various reasons they do not believe God loves them as much as he loves Jesus.
I was one of them. So are you saying because I didn't genuinely believe that God loves me as much as he loves Jesus, that during that time I was not redeemed?
I actually stumbled across the verse, I say stumble yet I had read that verse many many times but did not believe it true of me.
When I was laid up God asked me to spend time with him. I had been out of church for a long time (never lost my faith in Jesus) but starting to come back.
I was led through the process of what is it I genuinely believe?
I went from Romans concerning faith and access to God, to Ephesians, to the adulteress women and eventually to the verse in John.
I cried out to God "Is this true"
Then bang it was like he took a silver bullet with that verse on it and shot it into my heart.
The head knowledge was replaced with the reality.
The lie in in my head that told me it wasn't true was replaced with the truth.
Not everyone who has been redeemed automatically believes God loves them, so do some don't
Even those that do for some reason start to doubt it.
So my question concerning disconnect was based on those who God has redeemed or claim to be a genuine beliver.
How do we reconcile
John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
With what you are saying?
I believe that salvation is available to all, I also know that not everyone will accept it.
I also believe that God knows who will accept that gift and works his will in them.
Those he predestined.
I can't make the call and act accordingly based on outward appearance.
I can only make that call when it's very very evident that they fall foul of Romans 5-6.
So I would like to ask you.
If I came to see you and were to quote to me that God loves me as much as he loves Jesus and I said that is not true I struggle to believe that how would you counsel me?
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to convey.
The people I was referring to are belivers that I have spoken to walked with.
For various reasons they do not believe God loves them as much as he loves Jesus.
I was one of them. So are you saying because I didn't genuinely believe that God loves me as much as he loves Jesus, that during that time I was not redeemed?
I actually stumbled across the verse, I say stumble yet I had read that verse many many times but did not believe it true of me.
When I was laid up God asked me to spend time with him. I had been out of church for a long time (never lost my faith in Jesus) but starting to come back.
I was led through the process of what is it I genuinely believe?
I went from Romans concerning faith and access to God, to Ephesians, to the adulteress women and eventually to the verse in John.
I cried out to God "Is this true"
Then bang it was like he took a silver bullet with that verse on it and shot it into my heart.
The head knowledge was replaced with the reality.
The lie in in my head that told me it wasn't true was replaced with the truth.
Not everyone who has been redeemed automatically believes God loves them, so do some don't
Even those that do for some reason start to doubt it.
So my question concerning disconnect was based on those who God has redeemed or claim to be a genuine beliver.
How do we reconcile
John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
With what you are saying?
I believe that salvation is available to all, I also know that not everyone will accept it.
I also believe that God knows who will accept that gift and works his will in them.
Those he predestined.
I can't make the call and act accordingly based on outward appearance.
I can only make that call when it's very very evident that they fall foul of Romans 5-6.
So I would like to ask you.
If I came to see you and were to quote to me that God loves me as much as he loves Jesus and I said that is not true I struggle to believe that how would you counsel me?
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Bill... that post you responded to is about God only loving believers.
In a certain denomination this is the belief that God only loves the elect and hates all others, or maybe He loves those who are going to become the elect, not really sure
But "God so loved the world" is code in Calvinism for "God so loved the elect."
So if you tell someone God loves them you may be lying.
So you are speaking to something a little different then what the post is about just as an fyi.
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It only because Jesus finished that we are able to start...otherwise we would still be trying to finish what He started.
He states the account is paid in full!
He states the account is paid in full!
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Bill... that post you responded to is about God only loving believers.
In a certain denomination this is the belief that God only loves the elect and hates all others, or maybe He loves those who are going to become the elect, not really sure
But "God so loved the world" is code in Calvinism for "God so loved the elect."
So if you tell someone God loves them you may be lying.
So you are speaking to something a little different then what the post is about just as an fyi.
In a certain denomination this is the belief that God only loves the elect and hates all others, or maybe He loves those who are going to become the elect, not really sure
But "God so loved the world" is code in Calvinism for "God so loved the elect."
So if you tell someone God loves them you may be lying.
So you are speaking to something a little different then what the post is about just as an fyi.
