We experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ.
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I am surmising that Paul is the glaring exception to what you claim. Apparently, he suffered greatly, even claiming that he was the chief among sinners. Three times he prayed for God to remove the thorn in his flesh. God's answer to him was that His grace was sufficient for him. I believe that the thorn in his flesh was, based on his statements, to be a struggle with guilt from a sin problem. Regardless how the nature of the thorn in the flesh was manifested he definitely struggled with guilt from sinning.
Romans 7:14-15
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
Romans 7:14-15
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
How is that relevant to your premise that a born again believer doesn't have the problem with doing the evil that he doesn't want to do, or will suffer the symptoms of the man in the flesh?
Romans 7:14-15 clearly refutes that premise.
I am currently on my 5th complete reading of the bible. Reading a chapter or two a day it generally takes me 2 years. I then immediately start another reading. I commend you for reading the bible in its entirety frequently.
I have no doubt that you do understand sin quite well but puzzled by your premise that you stated, especially in light of the book of Romans in the passages detailing Paul's own struggle with sin even though it is quite evident that he certainly was a born again believer.
It's no sin to admit you are wrong on this perception. I would consider such an admission to be an integral part of the spiritual growth process.
Romans 7:14-15 clearly refutes that premise.
I am currently on my 5th complete reading of the bible. Reading a chapter or two a day it generally takes me 2 years. I then immediately start another reading. I commend you for reading the bible in its entirety frequently.
I have no doubt that you do understand sin quite well but puzzled by your premise that you stated, especially in light of the book of Romans in the passages detailing Paul's own struggle with sin even though it is quite evident that he certainly was a born again believer.
It's no sin to admit you are wrong on this perception. I would consider such an admission to be an integral part of the spiritual growth process.
The Law of sin and death, and no, it did not pop into existence at the time of Moses. We see it played out in the Garden.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 1 sheds light on man's accountability from the get-go:
Romans
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 1 sheds light on man's accountability from the get-go:
Romans
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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We should be careful how we hear what the Spirits says to the churches. Its his understandings we must abide in.
Rather than "once lost always lost" those who taste the good pleasure of God and fall away and crucify Christ over and over as if one demonstration was not enough. Or "once saved always saved". How often are some confidently saved ?
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Rather than "once lost always lost" those who taste the good pleasure of God and fall away and crucify Christ over and over as if one demonstration was not enough. Or "once saved always saved". How often are some confidently saved ?
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: