We experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ.

[DorothyMae]

Romans 8 doesn't say there is no longer any condemnation on account of our perfect conduct.
it says there isn't any condemnation because we no longer serve sin with our mind, but have died with Him to it, and serve God by our spirit. "consider yourselves dead to sin" ((Romans 6:11)) -- the first imperative statement in the whole epistle; this is a command regarding a person's thoughts.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, ​

but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.​

(Romans 8:5)​

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I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!​

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.​

(Romans 7:25)​

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some people say that these two verses, barely one paragraph apart, are talking about two entirely different people, one damned and one saved. but both speak about a person whose mind is not set on the things of the flesh, but on the things of the Spirit.

this is not a gospel of salvation by perfect conduct. if salvation was by perfect conduct, our flesh would still condemn us before Him. Christ has made a way for us, by the cross, to be justified through faith in Him.

We will still stand before the throne and give an account for the deeds done in the body. Who we serve “with the mind or spirit” is seen in the deeds done in the body.

 

[DorothyMae]

We all sin in the flesh..in Christ we have a new heart....we walk in the Spirit our focus is on doing the will of the Father....our sins are forgiven,hidden in Christ.

But we still sin.....yes.

Thanks JR but this was not the discussion.

 

[jackrosie]

We will still stand before the throne and give an account for the deeds done in the body. Who we serve “with the mind or spirit” is seen in the deeds done in the body.

I believe we will be judged when we stand before the Lord.....on our death in body.

 

[jackrosie]

I understand it completely. I understand your position completely. They aren’t the same and your position I don’t believe. I understand. I don’t believe it.

What don’t you believe?

 

[jackrosie]

The Bible says to present your bodies a living sacrifice,how can a person renew their mind without showing It with their body.

James 2:18
King James Version


18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

The Holy Spirit renews our minds.......we don’t....we also walk in the Spirit......that is what a born again does.

 

[lenna]

Everyone that I talk to on here seems to think to renew the mind means to clean up their flesh.

I hardly think so. However renewing the mind should impact the flesh.

 

[lenna]

The Holy Spirit renews our minds.......we don’t....we also walk in the Spirit......that is what a born again does.

That is not so.

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2

We renew our minds by the word. We agree with what God states and in turn disagree with the world. We do not copy or be like the world but we agree with what God states about the world. The Holy Spirit does not suddenly change how we think. We have to apply ourselves, read and study and pray, then the Holy Spirit uses what we have taken in and can work in our lives.

Walking in the Spirit also means being in agreement with God. You cannot understand God's will without first grasping what the Bible states and that takes effort and commitment.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

why is Christ always making intercession for you, if you have no sin?

He made intercession once for the one who first comes to belief in the gospel.

He ever lives to offer the gift of eternal life to all that come to him by faith; not to continue offering forgiveness for those who continue in willful sin after believing.

Hebrews 10:26 makes this clear.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The Holy Spirit renews our minds.......we don’t....we also walk in the Spirit......that is what a born again does.

Paul wrote that the person that has been born again should do this(renew their mind).

 

[DorothyMae]

What don’t you believe?

I don’t believe people before Moses died because of a sin nature they inherited and the sin they actually did didn’t matter.

 

[oyster67]

Again, vs 13 says But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break.

No, that is not what the verse says.

This is what the verse says;
Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

You will not be punished for picking your nose because there is no law. It will not be imputed to you as sin. You are correct in your assertion that there was no Mosaic Law, but the Mosaic Law is not the only thing that brings punishment and death.

Now lets add the context of the very next verse;
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

[DorothyMae]

The Holy Spirit renews our minds.......we don’t....we also walk in the Spirit......that is what a born again does.

Actually our minds are renewed by reading the Word. If we fail
to do that it won’t happen.

 

[jackrosie]

That is not so.

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2

We renew our minds by the word. We agree with what God states and in turn disagree with the world. We do not copy or be like the world but we agree with what God states about the world. The Holy Spirit does not suddenly change how we think. We have to apply ourselves, read and study and pray, then the Holy Spirit uses what we have taken in and can work in our lives.

Walking in the Spirit also means being in agreement with God. You cannot understand God's will without first grasping what the Bible states and that takes effort and commitment.

That is so.


Romans12:

Living Sacrifices.

There fore I urge you,brothers in view of God’s mercy,offer your bodies as living sacrifices,Holy and pleasing to God- this is your spiritual act of worship.
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world,but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good and pleasing and perfect will.

 

[jackrosie]

Actually our minds are renewed by reading the Word. If we fsul
to do that it won’t happen.

I have replied under your post.

 

[Peterlag]

I hardly think so. However renewing the mind should impact the flesh.

I rest my case.

 

[Peterlag]

The Bible says to present your bodies a living sacrifice,how can a person renew their mind without showing It with their body.

James 2:18
King James Version


18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

I think renewing the mind for you means cleaning up your flesh. To me it's putting on the mind of Christ which is a one time action.

 

[Peterlag]

Trolling is the practice of posting with the clear intent to cause disruption and strife while at the same time portraying oneself to be scripturally and morally superior. Don't know why you included me in the quotes of your post as I never even mentioned about trolling.

I'm still not sure how this system works. I reply by clicking on the reply in the same section of someone responding to me. And yet it seems to go to others as well who may be on that same thread. I'm not interested in trolling. I post the Scriptures and you can read them for yourself if you would enjoy doing so.

 

[Peterlag]

Are you saying that once a person is born again that person will no longer commit even a single sin for the rest of their life? Have you, since the moment you were born again, committed even a single sin since? Providing various verses of scripture does not answer these questions for the answers are either yes or no. Please don't offer a bible verse saying let your yes be your yes and your no be your no either. That's not going to cut it.

I did not write the book. The scriptures say... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[tourist]

I did not write the book. The scriptures say... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

OK, you have not committed a single sin since the moment you were born again.

 

[tourist]

I'm still not sure how this system works. I reply by clicking on the reply in the same section of someone responding to me. And yet it seems to go to others as well who may be on that same thread. I'm not interested in trolling. I post the Scriptures and you can read them for yourself if you would enjoy doing so.

That is how you reply to a post, by clicking on REPLY. It could be that the memory is retained from a previous reply so that this one appears as well. If so, you could probaly clear everything by clicking on reply in any post and then deleting everything in the box.