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DorothyMae

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jackrosie said:
Jesus words about born again are scriptural....I have provided scripture to you.......??.....only a born again will see heaven......do you deny that??
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I ask again. Where does Jesus say “only those born again will see beaven” or similar. “You must be born again” doesn’t mention Heaven and Jesus wasn’t thinking of Heaven primarily at that conversation
 
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The first deception was “did God really say?” and up to today that is the only way Satan can deceive a child of God, by adding half-truths to his lies. That is why we have 66000 (and counting) denominations in the body of Christ today.

I think we are all guilty of falling into this trap at the moment.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
The scripture teaches that a born again believer cannot sin.
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The scripture teaches that we cannot make a practice of sin. Not that we cannot stumble.

Romans 7 teaches that the flesh sins, not the born again believer. The regenerate man's life is in the spirit, not any longer in the flesh.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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posthuman said:
Romans 7 teaches that the flesh sins, not the born again believer. The regenerate man's life is in the spirit, not any longer in the flesh.
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Romans 7:25
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:2
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 8:34-36
[34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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posthuman said:
Romans 7 teaches that the flesh sins, not the born again believer. The regenerate man's life is in the spirit, not any longer in the flesh.
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Romans 7 says that sin dwells in the flesh.

As a born again believer in the Spirit, the flesh is put to death thereby.

Romans 8:13
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Colossians 3:5 KJVS
[5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry...

If the flesh and Spirit continue together, the above scriptures make no sense.
 
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DorothyMae

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jackrosie said:
Jesus words about born again are scriptural....I have provided scripture to you.......??.....only a born again will see heaven......do you deny that??
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I have seen no post where you quote Jesus saying, “only a born again believer sees heaven.”
 
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DorothyMae

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Psa 139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

Psa 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Psa 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
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As I said, it’s very easy to pick out the most complementary verses and say to everyone that they describe you personally. How different it will be when such a one stands before God and “gives an answer to the deeds done in the body” and how He was the person is all that matters. Flattering verses are pleasant and easy to find. Yes he above is an example of one doing this.

“let another praise you, not your own lips” is better.
 
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DorothyMae

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posthuman said:
The scripture teaches that we cannot make a practice of sin. Not that we cannot stumble.

Romans 7 teaches that the flesh sins, not the born again believer. The regenerate man's life is in the spirit, not any longer in the flesh.
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And if one does? What does it matter to an OSAS believer?

PS: I know the OSAS crowd will just attack me instead of answering the question. So let’s see if I predicted it right?
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Romans 7:25
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:2
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me
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Romans 6 —no longer in the flesh. Dead with regard to it.

But you think the person who is separated from his flesh, thanks God in Christ Jesus, following Him in the spirit and serving Him with their mind, no longer the one who sins, is lost and unregenerate?

Buddy you got explaining to do.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
If the flesh and Spirit continue together, the above scriptures make no sense.
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If you think the Bible makes no sense you are wrong.

Romans 7 says explicitly several times that in the regenerate man the flesh and the spirit are opposed to each other. As Christ also said:

Matthew 26:41
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Still don't know why you oppose Him and His apostle. Maybe you are in the flesh, concerned with things of the flesh.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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posthuman said:
But you think the person who is separated from his flesh, thanks God in Christ Jesus, following Him in the spirit and serving Him with their mind, no longer the one who sins, is lost and unregenerate?

Buddy you got explaining to do
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No!

How in the world did you come to this wild conclusion? o_O
 
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