We are all false teachers

[Blain]

So what if someone is a false teacher but teaches false doctrine in ignorance? If this makes one a false teacher then I am more than guilty of that, but say that a teaching is false and a teacher or preacher teaches this to a mass and they take it to heart but later learns that they were false teachings and learns from it.
If they had pure intentions but still unknwoingly created students to believe a false dovtrine even if they learn later they were wrong were they still false teachers or does the intent of their hearts have a factor in the matter?

 

[CS1]

So what if someone is a false teacher but teaches false doctrine in ignorance? If this makes one a false teacher then I am more than guilty of that, but say that a teaching is false and a teacher or preacher teaches this to a mass and they take it to heart but later learns that they were false teachings and learns from it.
If they had pure intentions but still unknwoingly created students to believe a false dovtrine even if they learn later they were wrong were they still false teachers or does the intent of their hearts have a factor in the matter?

there is another issue. calling someone a false teacher because they disagree with the non-essentials or false because they disagree with them.

to be a "false teacher " you have to be doing so intentionally. A person can be in error yet and does not know yet are willing to be corrected. IF they have been corrected and will not adhere to the truth, Then they are false.

Also one can be unlearned or ignorant which means they are not deceptive but unlearned. !cor 14:39 says let them be. Why? because they are saved but unable to receive the revelation.

 

[stonesoffire]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

No one has all the truth. Just as we all who are in Christ and are members of the One Body, we all have a portion of truth through study, and the teaching of revelation through Holy Spirit. And the correct fellowship should be the gathering of members who have spent their time in the Lord through the week, come together then in meeting and all will be able to share what was given. No confusion, unity in the Spirit. Just as taught through Paul.


here lieth the problem.

 

[Blik]

The word " Jesus could not make something different". It is not Biblical. The Spirit of Christ is eternal. The point is Build around the words of Jesus not around OSAS/NOSAS.

The key to understanding scripture is in seeing the sameness in all scripture, knowing that scripture is from the same eternal God. When what we try to do is see the difference in scripture, especially to look for how Christ changed the world and not Christ as the eternal Savior, we do not see clearly. Each verse of scripture explains every other verse. God the Father is the source, and the Father brought about the Son who is our source of life.

 

[CS1]

The key to understanding scripture is in seeing the sameness in all scripture, knowing that scripture is from the same eternal God. When what we try to do is see the difference in scripture, especially to look for how Christ changed the world and not Christ as the eternal Savior, we do not see clearly. Each verse of scripture explains every other verse. God the Father is the source, and the Father brought about the Son who is our source of life.

it is not to see the sameness but to know the truth. WE can see it the same way and still not know the truth of the word of God.

The authorial intent and context of what was said and who it was said to, in the time frame it was said while seeking how they applied then. And how do we apply it today?

Jesus said HE is the way and the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through HIM. One must Build on the foundational truth of Jesus Christ, all other ground is sinking sand.

 

[garee]

Rather then false teachers which there must be. What does mankind falsely teach as to how each one can hear Him who dwells in us . What are the tools needed to rightly divide that give us ears to hear his understand?

Ultimately we are to call not man on earth "Master Teacher". Even the prophet, apostle Jesus did not do his own will but taught as the father gave him words to say .

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6

When the Son of man was bowed down to as a form of worship a person called Jesus a name reserved for the father ."Good Master". Jesus would not stand in the holy unseen place. an abomination of desolation. but rather and gave glory to God. saying One is our Master God.

Job 9 informs us God is not a man and neither is there any "daysman" or "Pope" as a "Good Master" to stand between God not seen and man seen .

He informs us as a warning it is the spirits of the antichrists other teaching authority in 1 John 2 :27 27 . we abide in him as he does teach comfort and guide. So that we can seek his approval according to the commandment to study to show ourselves approved to God

 

[Blik]

it is not to see the sameness but to know the truth. WE can see it the same way and still not know the truth of the word of God.

The authorial intent and context of what was said and who it was said to, in the time frame it was said while seeking how they applied then. And how do we apply it today?

Jesus said HE is the way and the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through HIM. One must Build on the foundational truth of Jesus Christ, all other ground is sinking sand.

But don't you think that it would be impossible to truly know God and what He is about if we limit ourselves to Christ as Christ was in the flesh? It seems so important to know that the God who created us does not want our death. As soon as evil entered the world Christ's blood gave atonement and later salvation. It is like getting to know all about people we love, only this is our creator and our life.

 

[CS1]

But don't you think that it would be impossible to truly know God and what He is about if we limit ourselves to Christ as Christ was in the flesh? It seems so important to know that the God who created us does not want our death. As soon as evil entered the world Christ's blood gave atonement and later salvation. It is like getting to know all about people we love, only this is our creator and our life.

I don't believe one can do that If they are saved because the Holy Spirit lead them into the Truth of Who HE Christ is.

 

[preacher4truth]

It appears to me concerning NT theology, false teachers are those who distort the Gospel either by detracting or adding to it. Galatians, especially Galatians 1:8-10 touches on this to put it mildly.

The sufficiency of the atoning work of Christ is at stake and rendered ineffective in false gospels. Detracting or adding to the Gospel not only means false teacher in the NT, but that they do not believe the true Gospel at all.

Although other areas of theology will be in error due to a faulty Gospel, for example denial of the Deity of Christ, those who embrace the true Gospel will not have perfect teaching on all things biblical. This does not make these out to be false teachers in the NT sense or meaning.

Before someone says they believe the true Gospel but deny Christs deity needs to examine John 8:24. A false Christ does not save.

 

[CS1]

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It appears to me concerning NT theology, false teachers are those who distort the Gospel either by detracting or adding to it. Galatians, especially Galatians 1:8-10 touches on this to put it mildly.

The sufficiency of the atoning work of Christ is at stake and rendered ineffective in false gospels. Detracting or adding to the Gospel not only means false teacher in the NT, but that they do not believe the true Gospel at all.

Although other areas of theology will be in error due to a faulty Gospel, for example denial of the Deity of Christ, those who embrace the true Gospel will not have perfect teaching on all things biblical. This does not make these out to be false teachers in the NT sense or meaning.

Before someone says they believe the true Gospel but deny Christs deity needs to examine John 8:24. A false Christ does not save.

free with but those who deny the deity of Christ are not false teacher per say that is the spirit of Anti-christ

 

[preacher4truth]

@CS1 Are you speaking in the sense of antichrist used in 1 John?

 

[CS1]

@CS1 Are you speaking in the sense of antichrist used in 1 John?

yes as we know that the "spirit of anti-christ" was at work then too and has been the word of God says. 1john 4:3

 

[CS1]

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agree with but those who deny the deity of Christ are not false teacher per say that is the spirit of Anti-christ

 

[garee]

False teachers are those that would seduce us believe we need a man or creature seen to teach us. Like in the garden . Did God really say you will die? (causing wonderment) Look at me and live. no faith needed . It defines the wiles of the antichrist. Satan the spirit of error working in the affairs of men, antichrists . . . many.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2: 26-27

Makes him flee every time. as it is written .

 

[Runningman]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

People can feel conviction for false teachings if they are indoctrinated into thinking what they are saying is correct; see Jehovah's Witnesses for example. I use that as an example because there are very clear and cut unBiblical teachings in it.

It's like watching CNN of Fox, which one is right? Some people may say the correct news source is the one that fits that person's bias. So we can have biases, feel like we are walking in the truth, and yet still be incorrect.

One may say "that doctrine is incorrect, it must be the doctrine of demons." Or is the person preaching that doctrine fully convinced in their heart and mind that what they are saying is true and has the same sort of pride & prejudice & biases the rest of us do? God knows the truth.

When we become self-aware of these aspects of ourselves, it becomes much easier to absorb Biblical truths while disregarding denominational loyalties, biases, and indoctrinations.

I firmly believe this is the reason why we shouldn't have pride in ourselves, but look to Jesus for answers. And above all else, this is why we should love so that we can be patient, kind, and therefore see more clearly. The fruits of the Holy Spirit are closely linked and Jesus is the light of the world!

 

[pottersclay]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

The gospel...Christ crucified is the only one that you need to be concerned about.
Theology, eschatology may differ in some Faith's. Even from pew to pew.
Christlike manners and traditions may very in the same faith denominations.
It's not that they are teaching falsely but but have taken a stand on what the believe the scriptures are pointing to.
Christ is the building corner stone as long as one does not add or take away the message of the gospel and presents it according to the word of God, in full measure, as it is written that church is grounded in truth.
Believe it or not the many differences of the theology, and eschatology in the gospel based Faith's have brought many truths to light. It also causes some to study harder, to look deeper, pray to see clearer.
We are asked to be a berean, to search the scriptures to see if it is so. So basically we are responsible for what we believe. Jesus said to his disciples when the rebuked strangers who did not follow as they did
Those who are not against me are with me (paraphrasing don't have my Bible with me).
I have many brothers and sisters who are post trib, pre trib, mid trib, Baptist, Lutheran, non denominational, Methodist, Jewish. But we all agree in one thing....Christ crucified.
The Pharisees argue the letter of the law. Jesus argued the heart of the law. The Samaritan woman argued place of worship. Jesus replied worship in place.
Strange thing happened 2 thousand years ago in Bethlehem. The child of God was born the promised Messiah. What was strange about it is that only outsiders knew that an event had taken place. While just a few miles away the temple of God stood.
Nicodemus taught in the temples for years then asked the young rabbi how do you get to heaven?
Show me anyone including myself who gets it right 100% of the time all the time.

 

[Blik]

I don't believe one can do that If they are saved because the Holy Spirit lead them into the Truth of Who HE Christ is.

I don't believe one can do that If they are saved because the Holy Spirit lead them into the Truth of Who HE Christ is.

Are you saying that the truth is that Christ was not from the beginning of our world? That doesn't match up with scripture. It would make Christ, not the Son but a new God. Although God is one but still there are different aspects of God. There is God the creator who arranged our salvation and God the Son whose blood saves us.

 

[CS1]

Are you saying that the truth is that Christ was not from the beginning of our world? That doesn't match up with scripture. It would make Christ, not the Son but a new God. Although God is one but still there are different aspects of God. There is God the creator who arranged our salvation and God the Son whose blood saves us.

The Spirit of Christ was not created HE has Always been. Eternal in the Godhead .

 

[Blik]

The Spirit of Christ was not created HE has Always been. Eternal in the Godhead .

I think you are correct. Yet Christ is called a son. God's world works differently from ours, it is sometimes hard to wrap my head around all of God.

But surely this would not change that as Christians, we should include all scripture in our study of the word. Christ is still eternal, Christ did not change. To truly know Christ we must study all of Christ, both when Christ's blood atoned, and when Christ's blood saved.

Lev. 17:11 tells us it is the blood God gave on the altar that makes atonement for the soul. We know that it is only the blood of Christ that saves.

 

[Blik]

The gospel...Christ crucified is the only one that you need to be concerned about.
Theology, eschatology may differ in some Faith's. Even from pew to pew.
Christlike manners and traditions may very in the same faith denominations.
It's not that they are teaching falsely but but have taken a stand on what the believe the scriptures are pointing to.
Christ is the building corner stone as long as one does not add or take away the message of the gospel and presents it according to the word of God, in full measure, as it is written that church is grounded in truth.
Believe it or not the many differences of the theology, and eschatology in the gospel based Faith's have brought many truths to light. It also causes some to study harder, to look deeper, pray to see clearer.
We are asked to be a berean, to search the scriptures to see if it is so. So basically we are responsible for what we believe. Jesus said to his disciples when the rebuked strangers who did not follow as they did
Those who are not against me are with me (paraphrasing don't have my Bible with me).
I have many brothers and sisters who are post trib, pre trib, mid trib, Baptist, Lutheran, non denominational, Methodist, Jewish. But we all agree in one thing....Christ crucified.
The Pharisees argue the letter of the law. Jesus argued the heart of the law. The Samaritan woman argued place of worship. Jesus replied worship in place.
Strange thing happened 2 thousand years ago in Bethlehem. The child of God was born the promised Messiah. What was strange about it is that only outsiders knew that an event had taken place. While just a few miles away the temple of God stood.
Nicodemus taught in the temples for years then asked the young rabbi how do you get to heaven?
Show me anyone including myself who gets it right 100% of the time all the time.

Do you think the only worthwhile way of God is our salvation? That lets out love, wisdom, fruits of the spirit--it leaves out so very much. It is like only having a relationship for things that relationship gives us.

We also receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved, but the Holy Spirit helps us understand the word. We must put the word in our minds and heart for the Holy Spirit to work with.