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DorothyMae

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stonesoffire said:
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
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First, divers desires doesn’t mean the one your mind goes to. Second, you often isolate verses out of context and this is no exception. Read the next verse...”ever learning but not coming to a knowledge of the truth” (from memory, not cut and paste.) JR changes her learning source rapidly, that’s all I meant. You made it something dirty.
? In another post you state she’s becoming like her teacher. We know who your are referencing.
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I doubt you do, He is caustic but nothing like your assumption. You should be ashamed of your imagination.
seduce can mean different things true, but this should never be online in a forum. It’s the responsibility of a fellowship. This isn’t a church.
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What!!!! You need to stop this line of thinking!!! You’re the only one who is assuming this. Please stop!
Im dropping it. I reported it so let the moderator decide.
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I never thought you’d sink to this interpretation. What was in your mind was never in the mind of the Bible writer as evidenced by the end of the sentence. Was never in my mind.
 
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Context here is not referring to losing salvation.
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It seems to be in every verse and passage for some.... as if the NT are one big treatise on how salvation can be lost.

And to that end, sadly this miss the riches of the message.
 
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jaybo said:
Yes, it is belief -- faith -- that saves. "Then he [the jailer] brought them outside and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31 and of course, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

Works, to the extent that one can do them, are a sign, but not a requirement, that one is saved.
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I don’t mean to be argumentative, nor nit picky here, but is there anywhere in scripture that says works are a sign?
 
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EleventhHour said:
It seems to be in every verse and passage for some.... as if the NT are one big treatise on how salvation can be lost.

And to that end, sadly this miss the riches of the message.
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I heard just this morning that this is because condemnation is in the mind of the reader. The law being the mirror but not seeing oneself in Jesus. Seeing self under judgement.
 
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DorothyMae said:
First, divers desires doesn’t mean the one your mind goes to. Second, you often isolate verses out of context and this is no exception. Read the next verse...”ever learning but not coming to a knowledge of the truth” (from memory, not cut and paste.) JR changes her learning source rapidly, that’s all I meant. You made it something dirty.
I doubt you do, He is caustic but nothing like your assumption. You should be ashamed of your imagination.
What!!!! You need to stop this line of thinking!!! You’re the only one who is assuming this. Please stop! I never thought you’d sink to this interpretation. What was in your mind was never in the mind of the Bible writer as evidenced by the end of the sentence. Was never in my mind.
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Change my learning source rapidly?

Show me where?

The Lord teaches me...he also speaks to me through a few members.....what has that to do with changing my learning source rapidly?
 
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jackrosie said:
What?.....bounce around on what I believe..are you joking.......something physical tells us where her mind was.

What on earth are you talking about?...your bouncing around losing the plot!
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Let’s drop it JR. Stone considerably dirty the waters with her thoughts and words. I am disgusted with her post and want to drop it. Her post dirties the mind.
 
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DorothyMae

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jackrosie said:
Change my learning source rapidly?

Show me where?

The Lord teaches me...he also speaks to me through a few members.....what has that to do with changing my learning source rapidly?
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I’ll answer this later. Right now my mind needs some cleansing from stone.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I heard just this morning that this is because condemnation is in the mind of the reader. The law being the mirror but not seeing oneself in Jesus. Seeing self under judgement.
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There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

That doesn’t mean you can speak to people how you choose....for me i would like to be more like Jesus....

It upsets me when I’m rude and continue in that behaviour...
 
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DorothyMae said:
When a person is first saved, repenting and being forgiven and believing (not necessarily i that order) are all that is necessary. One did not work to be forgiveness and know salvation and deciding to do works will not add to that. But the rest of one‘s life one will make choices that are works one way or another. One does not go through life doing no works at all or one has noting to eat, wear, no friends and so on. One will do works if one wants to life and one does more works if one wants to live well. It is a fact.

So we can decide to let the Holy Spirit teach us the works that God wants us to do, or we can refuse and do our own thing since his works are more difficult and costly than our own desires many times. If we go through our lives never doing what He wanted beyond salvation, what were we saved from in the first place? Jesus came to save us from sin, not hell.

The problem is teaching that works that please God are unnecessary, then believers will not be encoragedto do them. So we are left doing works that please us most of the time unless what pleases God happens to please us as well now and again. Those who might timidly step out and do something that pleases God might be criticized as living „works salvation“ when it is really „pleasing God works“ and not for salvation at all. That a believer might want to please God is often discouraged on threads like this and I am sorry for those young believers who step out to do something for God and are told they are engaging in „works salvation“ which is calling Christ a liar. So they are discouraged from working to please God at all.
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You're making some strange assumptions, probably based on your own experiences. When you write, "If we go through our lives never doing what He wanted beyond salvation, what were we saved from in the first place? Jesus came to save us from sin, not hell" Jesus came to give us a more abundant and rewarding life than we had a sinners. Of course He also saved us from hell; do you believe, contrary to Scripture, that believers are going to hell?

You also said, "The problem is teaching that works that please God are unnecessary, then believers will not be encoraged [sic] to do them. So we are left doing works that please us most of the time unless what pleases God happens to please us as well now and again." This is in direct conflict with Scripture! Believers "do good works" to the extent that they are able because God has given them the Holy Spirit. If Christians do works that please us, not God, most of the time, then they are not living according to their new, God-given nature.

Have you ever read, "“Do not judge so that you will not be judged."? Matthew 7:1 Or do you think it doesn't apply to you?
 
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jaybo said:
You're making some strange assumptions, probably based on your own experiences. When you write, "If we go through our lives never doing what He wanted beyond salvation, what were we saved from in the first place? Jesus came to save us from sin, not hell" Jesus came to give us a more abundant and rewarding life than we had a sinners. Of course He also saved us from hell; do you believe, contrary to Scripture, that believers are going to hell

You also said, "The problem is teaching that works that please God are unnecessary, then believers will not be encoraged [sic] to do them. So we are left doing works that please us most of the time unless what pleases God happens to please us as well now and again." This is in direct conflict with Scripture! Believers "do good works" to the extent that they are able because God has given them the Holy Spirit. If Christians do works that please us, not God, most of the time, then they are not living according to their new, God-given nature.

Have you ever read, "“Do not judge so that you will not be judged."? Matthew 7:1 Or do you think it doesn't apply to you?
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Question..is DorothyMae the only one judging on this thread?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Would you mind giving me the scripture? I just did a search and found only 2 signs. Jesus and His ressurection, and tongues to unbelievers. I would say then, Jesus and Holy Spirit.
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Signs perhaps the wrong word.

Evidence is a better word.
 
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jackrosie said:
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

That doesn’t mean you can speak to people how you choose....for me i would like to be more like Jesus....

It upsets me when I’m rude and continue in that behaviour...
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That’s not really the meaning of no condemnation JR. Yes, we do need to make things right with others for our own peace. But, Jesus has taken away the condemnation on all mankind. “Redemption however, is a choice. “. The very words I heard from my teacher this morning.

I hold nothing against Dot personally. This is business.
 
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stonesoffire said:
That’s not really the meaning of no condemnation JR. Yes, we do need to make things right with others for our own peace. But, Jesus has taken away the condemnation on all mankind. “Redemption however, is a choice. “. The very words I heard from my teacher this morning.

I hold nothing against Dot personally. This is business.
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I know there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ ,I also know what it means.

I also want to improve my behaviour and how I address people....my actions after being saved is to bear fruit.in his strength...for what the Lord did for me....make me more like Jesus...me being rude is not me!!

And I won’t be a part of that anymore!

I will address DorothyMae respectfully...
 
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jackrosie said:
I know there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ ,I also know what it means.

I also want to improve my behaviour and how I address people....my actions after being saved is to bear fruit.in his strength...for what the Lord did for me....make me more like Jesus...me being rude is not me!!

And I won’t be a part of that anymore!
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That’s a good goal.
 
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