WHO IS ENOCH AND WHAT DOES HE MEAN TO ME?

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Deade

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cv5 said:
Irrelevant to my point. Two things happen contemporaneously and instantaneously, both groups change state from one condition to a different (and improved) condition.
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Yes, it appears almost instantaneous in scripture; almost like we are in line right behind the dead saints. Once He circles the earth and gathers His elect, He will return to the Mount of Olives. Then will this be fulfilled:

1 Thess. 3:13 "To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints." :cool:
 
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NayborBear said:
Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

See? "Changed", is pretty ambiguous.

And, just what is your point? Know you not?
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The flesh referred to here is the people still living that the tribulation hasn't killed off. Scripture likens it to a small gleaning a few here and a few there.

Judgment on the Whole Earth​

Isa. 24:1-13 "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merry hearted do sigh. The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth. They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it. The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction. When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done."

The bolded parts suggest there will be just a remnant of people left alive. They will start the Millennial reign. :cool:
 
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Deade said:
Sorry to say, but there is no paradise. Enoch and Elijah both died. No prophets will come back from the dead, God does not work that way. John the Baptist came as Elijah "in spirit and power" as per Gabriel's statement (Luke 1:17). Finally, there is no pretribulational rapture.

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We may not always understand why God chooses to do what He does; however, we can be certain that His inspired Word speaks truth.

There can be no dispute that God took both Enoch and Elijah:
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Hebrews 11:5

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11

However, most believe they were taken by God in order to return to prophesy prior to the tribulation. At which time they will be put to death and then resurrected for all the world to see.

"And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." Rev 11:11

Even though they escaped death by being translated they must still die because the scripture says: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Heb 9:27
 
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Wansvic said:
We may not always understand why God chooses to do what He does; however, we can be certain that His inspired Word speaks truth.

There can be no dispute that God took both Enoch and Elijah:
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Hebrews 11:5

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11

However, most believe they were taken by God in order to return to prophesy prior to the tribulation. At which time they will be put to death and then resurrected for all the world to see.

"And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." Rev 11:11

Even though they escaped death by being translated they must still die because the scripture says: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Heb 9:27
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Reincarnation fairy tales. Are you Hindu or Buddhist? Tell me, why did God number Enoch's years if he is still living? Gen. 5:23 "And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:"
 
Wansvic

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Deade said:
Reincarnation fairy tales. Are you Hindu or Buddhist? Tell me, why did God number Enoch's years if he is still living? Gen. 5:23 "And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:"
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The belief of reincarnation, which is ridiculous, portrays people being born and dying over and over.
You are forgetting the fact that the Word records they did not die. God took them from the earth while they were still alive.
I am a Christian and believe by faith what the Word of God says.
And, I would imagine that the years recorded depict the days Enoch walked on the earth prior to being translated by God.
 
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The flesh referred to here is the people still living that the tribulation hasn't killed off. Scripture likens it to a small gleaning a few here and a few there.

Judgment on the Whole Earth​

Isa. 24:1-13 "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merry hearted do sigh. The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth. They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it. The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction. When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done."

The bolded parts suggest there will be just a remnant of people left alive. They will start the Millennial reign. :cool:
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Correct! Thank You.
 
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