First Word of Jesus was repent

[Blik]

The feasts, festivals, and holy days of the Old Covenant were mere shadows. The reality is Christ.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the Body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

And without the Temple at Jerusalem (originally the Tabernacle), none of those observances can be truly kept as commanded. You must read and study the Torah more carefully.

If the reality is Christ, I should think that we would want to celebrate CHrist. Also, that we should search scripture to find out what Christ wants, how Christ guides our life.

Christians say that following the new covenant means to not listen to any scripture that was given by Moses. Yet Christ speaks of following Moses.

We know Christ changed many things, like cutting the foreskin and using food to follow instructions to keep to what is clean and pure. But "Christians" have used this so sort of throw out the baby with the bath water.

It truly seems to me that it is plain that man has corrupted the word, demons have entered into the church to convince people to not follow God but follow the devil, and he has told man that he must use common sense, not the word.

 

[Dino246]

Christians say that following the new covenant means to not listen to any scripture that was given by Moses.

No, Christians do not say that. Christians say that we are not under the covenant given through Moses. There is a massive difference.

 

[Magenta]

Perhaps I am in error on this point as I can't find anything in the bible to substantiate that claim. Not sure at all where I came up with that perception. Obviously, I need to do more research on this so as to ascertain the truth of the matter.

Perhaps it is from Habakkuk 1:13

Your eyes are too pure to look on evil;
You cannot tolerate wrongdoing.
Why then do You tolerate the treacherous?
Why are You silent while the wicked
swallow up those more righteous than themselves?

 

[Mattathias]

Perhaps it is from Habakkuk 1:13

Your eyes are too pure to look on evil;
You cannot tolerate wrongdoing.
Why then do You tolerate the treacherous?
Why are You silent while the wicked
swallow up those more righteous than themselves?

I don’t know but that’s what I thought he probably had in mind. That‘s the passage that came to my mind when I read his comment.

So, is it true that the prophet is saying here that the Father cannot look on sin? I don’t think so.

http://jesusalive.cc/ques326.htm

Maybe tourist was thinking of another passage.

 

[garee]

Yes. As I mentioned previously, Jesus is the Father’s logos made flesh.

The unseen will of God demonstrated by flesh the temporal seen . Not made into flesh. God is not a man . Jesus did not do his own will of the flesh as a prophet apostle he was given words of the one that had power ..

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Benadam]

Jesus' earthly ministry started with Him saying "Give me a drink" in John Chapter 4. But his Galilean ministry started with "repent..."

Why is the encounter at the well The beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry?

 

[watchman333]

It comes down to a question of whether Christ forgives the sin we want to keep or does Christ ask us to repent? We know we can't be righteous on our own.

Of course Blik, salvation is truly a gift from God and our righteousness is as filthy rags before the Lord, but I cannot imagine anyone wanting to "keep" their sin and not repent of it before we die.

 

[Blik]

Of course Blik, salvation is truly a gift from God and our righteousness is as filthy rags before the Lord, but I cannot imagine anyone wanting to "keep" their sin and not repent of it before we die.

I can't imagine it either, although I am discovering sins I have been committing, not realizing they were sin. My life has certainly improved when I confronted these sins and at least willed them away. Christ explained that sins is a burden and being freed of them gives real freedom. That is so true.

When I discovered that the OT explains the NT, I went back to study the sacrificial system. It lists the sins we are to take to Christ for forgiveness. They asked for forgiveness for sins they were not aware of.

It makes you feel very sorry for the people who feel that if we repent and will to not sin we are denying the power of Jesus to forgive.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Christians often scold other Christians for trying to be perfect before the Lord. They point out that it is impossible to achieve perfection and it is prideful to even try. They point to the fact that our personal righteousness does not save us, we are misinformed to even try to achieve it.

Repentance would necessarily mean working toward our personal ability to be righteous. Jesus told us in His very first message to us to repent.

Matthews 4:17 From then on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven has become near”.

Considering John 8:44 then why wouldn't his first message have been Matthew 4:4?

 

[posthuman]

Why is the encounter at the well The beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry?

he probably means because she was Samaritan, not Jewish.

i would reply by pointing out the magi

 

[Benadam]

Jesus's first word was probably 'mama' like all of us.

 

[Diakonos]

I think John is saying that the Father’s logos (“it”) became a “he” (Jesus) after “it” was incarnated, not before. In the prologue we are pre-incarnation, therefore John is speaking there about the Father and his thought and action - this is an echo of his creative activity in Genesis.

Do you accept that logos has a wide definition, or do you limit it to the title given to Jesus?

Yes. Do you mean to say that the substance of the Son of God was once not a person?

Every person’s logos is personal, not impersonal. That’s as true for the Father and for Jesus

Does that mean that Jesus' logos is distinct from the Father's logos?
If so, who's logos was active in the OT?

Prior to the incarnation (John 1:14), the logos is something else

What Scripture supports this?
I don't see "Jesus became the word of God" in the Bible, but I do see that "the word became flesh".

 

[Magenta]

Jesus's first word was probably 'mama' like all of us.

Or "Abba"

 

[Diakonos]

Why is the encounter at the well The beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry?

Because she was the first person Jesus ministered to on earth.
Yes, he did say "repent, for the kingdom is at hand." But he had to pass through Samaria on the way to Galilee. There, He ministered to the woman at the well first.
John 4 takes place after Jesus' baptism and before He enters Galilee (when He said: "repent...").

 

[Mattathias]

Yes.

That’s what John is saying became flesh.

Do you mean to say that the substance of the Son of God was once not a person?

I‘m saying that the Father’s logos was not another person who was with him prior to ”it” becoming a person.

Does that mean that Jesus' logos is distinct from the Father's logos?

Yes.

You have your own distinct logos. (Everyone does.) Is your own logos an “it” or a “he”?

If so, who's logos was active in the OT?

The Father’s.

What Scripture supports this?

That’s what John is discussing in the prologue of his Gospel.

I don't see "Jesus became the word of God" in the Bible…

Neither do I.

…but I do see that "the word became flesh".

So do I. John is telling us that the word of God became Jesus.

 

[garee]

Jesus's first word was, In . The second, the. The third, beginning .The last, Amen .

 

[garee]

I don't see "Jesus became the word of God" in the Bible…

It would seem the son of man, Jesus as a prophet, apostle . . . "messenger of God" was a temporal source of the word of God who lived in his earthen body.

He did not do the will of the flesh but that of the Holy Spirit who dwelt in Jesus. Yet he knew no sin because of the strength or power that worked in Him . Two working as one Know the Son, know the Father .No father and Son no salvation

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Blik]

Jesus's first word was, In . The second, the. The third, beginning .The last, Amen .

what a cop out to the scripture in Matthew. It says: 'from then on (after being tempted in the wilderness) Jesus began to preach "Repent, because the Kingdom of Heaven has come near".

 

[garee]

what a cop out to the scripture in Matthew. It says: 'from then on (after being tempted in the wilderness) Jesus began to preach "Repent, because the Kingdom of Heaven has come near".

LOL The keystone cops in. Yes preach, the unseen father teaches. he informs us to call no man on earth teacher. One is our teaching master in heaven

Preach the commandment given from the father . Repent the first work of salvation the father working in us, our first loving believing Him not seen..

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6 :45

 

[Diakonos]

Do you mean to say that the substance of the Son of God was once not a person?

I‘m saying that the Father’s logos was not another person who was with him prior to ”it” becoming a person.

Do you believe that the Son of God has always been a person?

The Father’s logos was active in the OT.

At the end of John 8, Jesus conveyed to the Jews that He and Abraham met in person. Was that the logos of the Father or of Jesus in the OT?