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preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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eternally-gratefull said:
two wrongs do not make a right now does it.. If you feel he has inflamed you report it.. but when you continue to,do the very thing yourself you can not complain when someone does the same to you
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You need to follow your own advice. How many times have you called me a liar, slanderer in this thread? You've done the same to @Sackcloth-N-Ashes and @Fastfredy0 as well. Both have called you on it.

Neither, as far as I know, think they need to go around reporting everything as you do. You use the word "report" a lot, like way too much.

If we were like you, with a huge propensity to report inflammatory remarks, you'd have been gone long ago.

Instead these and myself have tried to plead with you publicly to end your name calling and inflammatory remarks.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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preacher4truth said:
You mean by quite a few others your followers in this thread who insult others. Several of us can attest to this.


@preacher4truth i will not respond to you concerning this subject. You refuse to acknowledge any sin you refused to even admit or confess you have made inflammatory posts against others,

when you ask people to do what you refuse to do, it looks bad..

once Again, I ask you to ignore me, and stop with your crap, if you do not wish to understand what I said, And what I mean, then I can’t help you and to continue on this topic makes us both look bad. It has been shown what each of us have said, I think people can make up their own minds about what The other has said, GET OVER IT
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Feel free to put me on ignore. Except this time? Leave off insulting me while you have placed me on ignore. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
It’s all on you. It’s your choice. Stop trying to turn it on everyone else

The kids have disciplined people for imflamitory posts. Yourself being one of them. Yet you refuse to exec acknowledge or confess that you were wrong

Again 2 wrongs do Not Make a right. If sc it someone dies something report them. I am not
Concerned with those
Conversations. I Am Concerned with your insistent Badgering and screaming that I teach something I do not.

Once again let it be
 
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eternally-gratefull

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preacher4truth said:
You need to follow your own advice. How many times have you called me a liar, slanderer in this thread? You've done the same to @Sackcloth-N-Ashes and @Fastfredy0 as well. Both have called you on it.

Neither, as far as I know, think they need to go around reporting everything as you do. You use the word "report" a lot, like way too much.

If we were like you, with a huge propensity to report inflammatory remarks, you'd have been gone long ago.

Instead these and myself have tried to plead with you publicly to end your name calling and inflammatory remarks.
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It’s only inflammatory if it is false

Last time STOP

I will not confess for saying something that I have not done

You lied

Your slandered

You bore false witness

I stand by those
Claims

Now get over it. If you do not like it. CHANGE
 
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Micaiah-imla

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preacher4truth said:
...how about the names you and others are called by them? Do they report that? Of course not.
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This is true.

There are more than a handful of posts that were directed at me in the short time I’ve been here (mostly in this thread) that were reportable in my estimation, but I either respond and point it out to the offender, or I just do not respond and let it die.

I don’t envy the Moderators; they probably deal with their fair share of petty reportings. :)

Note: the “petty reporting” part is not directed at anyone in particular; I am speaking in general terms.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am done

If he wants to continue this nonsense it is in him

I only hope someone puts and end to it
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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Micaiah-imla said:
This is true.

There are more than a handful of posts that were directed at me in the short time I’ve been here (mostly in this thread) that were reportable in my estimation, but I either respond and point it out to the offender, or I just do not respond and let it die.

I don’t envy the Moderators; they probably deal with their fair share of petty reportings. :)

Note: the “petty reporting” part is not directed at anyone in particular; I am speaking in general terms.
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Yes, agreed. I guess some think they'll be swayed if they get a larger number of reports sent in.

And look, old Mr. "Leave it Be" is still going after me in responses several posts after he said leave it alone, yet he's still doing it himself.

What I desire, in lieu of the inflammatory attacks and false accusations levelled at me by EG is real dialog minus his insulting remarks such as liar, slandered, preacher of lies and other things. He does this yet reports others for showing him his own words and his own posts.

Answer his posts with a biblical response? Well, you get hit with name calling, accusations, you're told what you believe, there is zero Scripture, just some sort of insult. @Sackcloth-N-Ashes and @Fastfredy0 have received the same treatment from the same individual.

Then there is always the threat of getting reported. Reminds me of the tattle tales in kindergarten, "I'm telling on you!"
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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eternally-gratefull said:
I am done

If he wants to continue this nonsense it is in him

I only hope someone puts and end to it
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No, you're not done, you keep bringing it up, over and over. If you can't handle seeing others post things you've said and taught? Put them on ignore, it's that simple. In the meanwhile I will stand behind all I've taught and have no problem with anyone quoting me, 1 Corinthians 4:2. 👍
 
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BillG said:
Thanks for responding and being honest.

I have no idea what a GUIDO/JEW means or is no offense. That doesn't bother me. As long as you want to be like Jesus AMEN.

The reason for the question was based on you post

I believe in Eternal Salvation, don't get me wrong. I am not looking around the corner scared for my life. But then again, I am not wilfully committing sins either. If I was, I sure would not expect God to overlook my ignorance.

So if you have definitely sinned as you say above in the quote then does it not contradict the paragraph above (couldn't put that in the quote box)
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No, because when I sin the Holy Spirit immediately lets me know. Everyone wants to point out how we have an Advocate, but no one thinks about how it feels for the Holy Spirit to be living in your sin nature. This is how I know when I have sinned, because the Holy Spirit wants me to repent right away so I am a vessel worth dwelling in.
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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eternally-gratefull said:
Sigh

ypu should learn to read and stop assuming so much, I get sick of it

chosing me based on what I would do is NOT the same as chosing me BECAUSE I chose him
you All have posted countless things and one one of the, declare god chose me because I chose him,

instead of assuming things, it would be more christlike if you asked what I meant.

thats what gets you all in trouble, you assume (wrong) then when the person you assume tells you you did not understand them hey did not say what you claim, you get mad and we have this war for a few days about who did this and who did that.

dont you guys get sick of it?
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Again...

Ps. Knowing OF ME, (knowing who I am and what I would do in the future which is the cause of my predestination or chosing) and knowing me personally (after I am saved( are two different things, But nice try.


This is my last post to you, as this will make others think I’m just bitter. You said God knowing what you would do in the future is the cause of your predestination or choosing. You’re saying God chose you based upon His knowledge of you would do. There’s no other way to put it. That’s what you typed, that’s what you believe. It’s here for all to see.
 
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BillG said:
Interesting point you raise here.

Guilt?

Why do we feel guilty?
Does the Holy Spirit move to make us feel guilty?

What does being feeling guilty mean in relation to sin?
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Does the Holy Spirit want to live in a vessel full of sin?
 
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Duskey said:
I respect your humility and honesty, but you’re throwing stones from within your glass house every time you chasten someone for embracing OSAS when in fact you lead the life of a typical Christian, OSAS or otherwise.
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But the average post in this thread does not reflect the average Christian. If I was a sinner without God reading this, I would conclude many here are fake and trying to be more than they actually are. I would not want anything some here claim to have.
 
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preacher4truth said:
So, since you agree, and since you also believe if we willfully sin we "lose salvation", did you lose your salvation brother?
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NO, I did not!

I think why I don't lose it because I regret my sins. Maybe if I just sinned and thought oh well I am saved, it could lead to losing my Salvation. I am working this idealism out. But good post/point to make me see things clearer (y)
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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NO, I did not!

I think why I don't lose it because I regret my sins. Maybe if I just sinned and thought oh well I am saved, it could lead to losing my Salvation. I am working this idealism out. But good post/point to make me see things clearer (y)
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With all due respect you're going against your own professed beliefs and are conveniently customizing them to suit yourself. Since your teaching that willful sin means loss of salvation to whomever commits it, you don't get to exempt yourself from your own biblical beliefs because you're you.

That is exactly what you're doing. You've been dogmatic towards others that willful sin, Hebrews 10:26 means loss of salvation, yet you've granted yourself a pardon. Eternal truth doesn't work that way.
 
Oncefallen

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This is the deal guys, you all have one of two choices. Either you all can knock it off and keep it civil or I can clean house. Looking at the past couple of days posts in this thread I am appalled at the behavior that I am seeing from persons who are supposedly brothers and sisters in Christ. I see persons willfully misinterpreting what others have posted and then calling them liars when they get called out for it. Believe me, If I have to go with option two there are going to be several (not one or two) persons who will no longer be here and they are going to come from both sides of the debate. I have shown multiple long term users all the grace they are going to get.

If you can't discuss this topic civilly with certain users, don't respond to them. If you can't do that simple thing, place them on ignore. It's real easy to do quietly without broadcasting to the entire forum that you are blocking them.

I will reopen this thread tomorrow morning once everyone has had a chance to see this warning. Any more of what I've seen in the past couple of days after that point and the ban hammer will fall.
 
Chester

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Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Titus 3:4-5
But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Reaffirming the basic thrust of this thread: We are saved by grace through faith and not by works: Scripture is clear on this truth.
 
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