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jackrosie

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eternally-gratefull said:
I do not agree with this as worded
god does not arbitrarily lol at 100 people and say I will draw these 59
And the rest i will let Rot in hell
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I never said he will let some rot in hell..where did I say that?

I posted scripture God draws and chooses....I never said anything about who rots in hell.x..only God knows who is destined for hell....
 
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jackrosie said:
God not say to Adam you have a choice...he asked them not to eat from the tree.

They chose to disobey God and what he asked of them.

Show me where God said to Adam you have a choice?
Scripture please...
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Read Genesis. I cannot explain it any better but the Holy Spirit can.
 
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jackrosie said:
Did God say to Adam and Eve you have a choice?-
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Yes
I recall God asking them not to eat from the tree of knowledge?
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Yes god have them a choice to obey him and not eat if it. Or disobey him at which time they would be punished
I don’t see any scripture that says you have a choice...can you show me that scripture,x
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John 3:16 says so so does romans 10 : 9-10. So does John 4 John 6 and many other places
you are falling for a dangerous doctrine sis.
 
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jackrosie said:
I never said he will let some rot in hell..where did I say that?

I posted scripture God draws and chooses....I never said anything about who rots in hell.x..only God knows who is destined for hell....
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If they are not saved, then what? You don' seem to think things through.
 
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jackrosie said:
It’s not biblical....therefore it is man made terminology....God chooses us we don’t choose him.
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no one said we chose him.
Osas is not biblical....eternal life is....therefore I believe in eternal life....I do not believe outside of God’s word....no matter how anyone presents it.
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If you think osas is false you think salvation can be lost

Either you believe in osas. Once a person is saved they are always saved)

Or you believe in nosas there are no other options
 
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jackrosie said:
Did God say to Adam and Eve you have a choice?

I recall God asking them not to eat from the tree of knowledge?

I don’t see any scripture that says you have a choice...can you show me that scripture,x
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God did not ask Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He commanded Adam not to.

Adam and Eve ate from it despite that, because they chose to.

"But if it is unpleasing in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves
this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served beyond
the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living.
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD!” Joshua 24:15
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes

Yes god have them a choice to obey him and not eat if it. Or disobey him at which time they would be punished

John 3:16 says so so does romans 10 : 9-10. So does John 4 John 6 and many other places
you are falling for a dangerous doctrine sis.
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God did not say to them you have a choice.....how would they know what choice was?
He commanded them not to eat from the tree....they “chose” to ignore him.
 
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Magenta said:
God did not ask Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He commanded Adam not to.

"But if it is unpleasing in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves
this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served beyond
the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living.
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD!” Joshua 24:15
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Exactly commanded....he never said to them you have a choice.
Show me scripture where God said to them you have a choice?
 
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jackrosie said:
God not say to Adam you have a choice...he asked them not to eat from the tree.

They chose to disobey God and what he asked of them.

Show me where God said to Adam you have a choice?
Scripture please...
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Yes he gave them a choice
they chose to say no and suffered to consequences
 
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jackrosie said:
Can you stop pointing the finger I think everything through.....thank you.
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When have I pointed the finger at you before? Are you not now falsely accusing me?

Tell me then, where do people who are not saved end up?

You claim we cannot know but Scripture makes it plain.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
no one said we chose him.

If you think osas is false you think salvation can be lost

Either you believe in osas. Once a person is saved they are always saved)

Or you believe in nosas there are no other options
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I believe for myself eternal life...I don’t believe OSAS because it’s not biblical...if you want to believe it...that’s your choice....OSAS is man made terminology it’s not God’s word.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Where in my post did I claim it came from self?
can you please reread my post and show
Me how I said faith came from self?
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But I didn’t say you said it came from yourself. I said you omitted the “that” from your post, which refers to the faith immediately preceding it.
 
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jackrosie said:
I believe for myself eternal life...I don’t believe OSAS because it’s not biblical...if you want to believe it...that’s your choice....OSAS is man made terminology it’s not God’s word.
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What’s the difference between losing eternal life, and losing Salvation ?

They are virtually the same thing.
 
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This would be laughable if it wasn't so sad...seriously.

He told them not to eat from the tree of life...but they had no choice..hmmm?

If they had no choice, then who committed the sin in the garden?
 
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Magenta said:
When have I pointed the finger at you before? Are you not now falsely accusing me?

Tell me then, where do people who are not saved end up?
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You falsely accused me of not thinking things through..keep your opinion to yourself please.

I will answer your other question when I have researched it through scripture.

As I like to “think things through”...which you falsely accused me of not doing.
 
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jackrosie said:
God did not say to them you have a choice.....how would they know what choice was?
He commanded them not to eat from the tree....they “chose” to ignore him.
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Your right he did not say they had a choice
but in giving them an ability to sin. He gave them a choice

Adam sinned because he chose not To follow God But To disobey

If god really did not give him a choice as they claim then god would
Never give him an opportunity. Only then could it be said they had no choice
 
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