What translation has the exact words of God preserved for English speakers?

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I did not answer because I didn't see the relevance of your question. I still don't. :)
You have the freedom NOT to answer. Perhaps that is what he should have done was refuse to answer the question and then he would not have gotten you upset to the point where you want to ban him.
 

Dino246

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Just how far do you think "your faith" is going to get you? "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;" "YOUR" faith is not going to save you. It is the Grace of God that saves us. It is a work of God and not a work of our faith. Even the Faith of God working in and through us. Even Jesus said: "It is finished" at calvary before we were even born. He still has to do His finished work in our life.
You seem bored, because you're playing with semantics. If you want to get picky, I can play that game as well. How about we don't.
 

John146

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Just how far do you think "your faith" is going to get you? "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;" "YOUR" faith is not going to save you. It is the Grace of God that saves us. It is a work of God and not a work of our faith. Even the Faith of God working in and through us. Even Jesus said: "It is finished" at calvary before we were even born. He still has to do His finished work in our life.
Actually, it’s the faith of Jesus Christ that justifies the believer. God’s righteousness is by the faith of Christ. Btw, the faith of Christ is missing in the new versions. Hmmmmm......BIG RED FLAG!!!
 
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You seem bored, because you're playing with semantics. If you want to get picky, I can play that game as well. How about we don't.
I believe the atonement was twofold. Jesus died so we could be reconciled with the Father but also so we could be reconciled with each other. Yet you want to ban people and you do not want to be reconciled with them. If you think that is semantics then believe what you want, it does not matter to me.
 

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Actually, it’s the faith of Jesus Christ that justifies the believer. God’s righteousness is by the faith of Christ. Btw, the faith of Christ is missing in the new versions. Hmmmmm......BIG RED FLAG!!!
That's a narrow, exclusive interpretation of the relevant passages, which are legitimately translated with different wording.
 

Dino246

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I believe the atonement was twofold. Jesus died so we could be reconciled with the Father but also so we could be reconciled with each other. Yet you want to ban people and you do not want to be reconciled with them. If you think that is semantics then believe what you want, it does not matter to me.
Bringing to the attention of Moderators behaviour that contravenes the site rules, which results in the offender being banned, has little to nothing to do with personal reconciliation.
 
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We are having a discussion about this scripture: "Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it." (Jeremiah 1:12) The word hasten means: "watch". Here we are told that God watches over His word. Perhaps it would help if we go back to the beginning. In Genesis 1:3 we read that "God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light". This maybe a little confusing how God spoke Creation into Being. We also read that Jesus is the Word of God.

The Bible gets deep but the Bible can also be understood by a child. Perhaps you can study up on Jeremiah 1:12 to see what understanding you are able to get from this passage on how God watches over His word to perform or to do what HE says He is going to do.
hasten means hurry.

be quick to do something.
"he hastened to refute the assertion"
  • move or travel hurriedly.
    "we hastened back to Paris"
 

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That's a narrow, exclusive interpretation of the relevant passages, which are legitimately translated with different wording.
My point exactly, exclusive to the KJV, THE Bible.
 

Dino246

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My point exactly, exclusive to the KJV, THE Bible.
You'd do well to do some research before making such statements. Otherwise, you're just demonstrating your ignorance.
 
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hasten means hurry.
Jeremiah uses the word three times. Twice in the KJV it is translated "watch" and once "hasten". Most all the other translations use the word "watch". Hasten would imply that God is quick to do what He says. What God says He is going to do, He does. That is why they have books on the promises of God so we can claim them. In the Hebrew the first letter sets the pace for a word and the first letter here is symbolic for teeth - meaning to consume or devour. The last letter indicates to complete or finish. To bring to an end. God declares the end from the beginning. Jesus is the alpha and the omega, the first and the last.

Jeremiah 1:12
HEB: לִרְא֑וֹת כִּֽי־ שֹׁקֵ֥ד אֲנִ֛י עַל־
NAS: well, for I am watching over
KJV: seen: for I will hasten my word
INT: have seen for I am watching I over

Jeremiah 5:6
HEB: יְשָׁדְדֵ֔ם נָמֵ֤ר שֹׁקֵד֙ עַל־ עָ֣רֵיהֶ֔ם
NAS: them, A leopard is watching their cities.
KJV: them, a leopard shall watch over their cities:
INT: will destroy A leopard is watching and their cities

Jeremiah 44:27
HEB: הִנְנִ֨י שֹׁקֵ֧ד עֲלֵיהֶ֛ם לְרָעָ֖ה
NAS: Behold, I am watching over
KJV: Behold, I will watch over them for evil,
INT: behold I am watching over evil
 
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I was researching this long before you were even born. You love to make whipper snapper comments.
whipper snapper:
a young and inexperienced person considered to be presumptuous or overconfident.
"I know her better than you do, you young whippersnapper!"
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Well, then, I am "not very bright" too! . . . LOL! But I serve a God who is the essence of brightness!

KJV1611 - I disagree with you - vehemently disagree with you - but I like your spunk and demeanor! Just wish I could knock some sense into that heart of yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::oops:;)
I like to be real, say what I really think. I hate people that beat around the bush trying to be nice. Well we have a lot in common Chester because I'm trying to knock some sense into your heart lol. :)

If you can prove to me that God, Jesus, salvation, or God's word corrupts, then I'll come over to your side.
 
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The choice here is to answer his question and give him your opinion or don't answer his question and don't give him your opinion. As you know all liars are thrown into the lake off fire. "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire" (Revelation 21:8)
Honesty is always best even if it hurts someone's feelings.
 

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I like to be real, say what I really think. I hate people that beat around the bush trying to be nice. Well we have a lot in common Chester because I'm trying to knock some sense into your heart lol. :)

If you can prove to me that God, Jesus, salvation, or God's word corrupts, then I'll come over to your side.
Well, LOL! God, Jesus, salvation, and God's Word in the original manuscripts do not corrupt.
 
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Well, LOL! God, Jesus, salvation, and God's Word in the original manuscripts do not corrupt.
The original language manuscript's have corrupted to the point that they have rotted away from the face of the earth. God knew this would happen so he covered it.

God's method of preservation was to have atheist Greek and Hebrew scholars sort through the pure inerrant copies of copies of fragments and corrupted copies of copies of fragments and have these atheist tell us which copies of copies are REAL and which ones aren't.

He also made it to where if we have enough money and sense, that we can learn foreign languages and use Greek and Hebrew dictionaries so that we could pick and choose which meaning of a word best fits our doctrine. If we don't have enough sense to do that, then we can ask people like Dino, TDW or James White what the bible is really trying to say. It is beyond comprehension that God would do it any other way, there is no way that he would inspire translators to write exactly what he wanted written so that your average Joe could pick up a bible and read it word for word.

Now we have the absolute inerrant word of God as given to us by the athiest scholars and wanna be Greek and Hebrew experts. And, get this. If you don't like the way one group of atheist scholars interpreted it, just go find another version that best suits your needs.

Of course I'm being facetious, God preserved his word EXACTLY the same way he wrote his word to start with.... He inspired men to write exactly what he wanted to be written.
 

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The original language manuscript's have corrupted to the point that they have rotted away from the face of the earth. God knew this would happen so he covered it.
That's incorrect. The original manuscripts, not the original-language manuscripts.

God's method of preservation was to have atheist Greek and Hebrew scholars sort through the pure inerrant copies of copies of fragments and corrupted copies of copies of fragments and have these atheist tell us which copies of copies are REAL and which ones aren't.
Atheists? Where is your evidence?

Of course I'm being facetious, God preserved his word EXACTLY the same way he wrote his word to start with.... He inspired men to write exactly what he wanted to be written.
In the originals, yes. In the translations, no.
 
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That's incorrect. The original manuscripts, not the original-language manuscripts.


Atheists? Where is your evidence?


In the originals, yes. In the translations, no.
That's your opinion and it is duly noted.