The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,589
873
113
61
It does mention tongues actually. Have another read and understand the context in which I quoted it and if you do not understand and would like to understand, just ask and I will answer if no mocking is included.
I do not another read. The Text is clear. Our would you say speaking in tongues in Pauls time was only in Part? The conection is not to vers 8, but to vers 9
 
L

lenna

Guest
I do not another read. The Text is clear. Our would you say speaking in tongues in Pauls time was only in Part? The conection is not to vers 8, but to vers 9
Well it's not clear to you apparently.
 
Jan 12, 2019
7,497
1,399
113
Always fascinated by how anyone can so confidently ascribe motives from just reading words on the Internet, made by strangers who they don't know, and cannot see in real life.
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
Inaccurate. God chooses those who are chosen by Him for His purposes and they are not empty. The Bible states we are to be continually filled with the Holy Spirit, which of course you do not acknowledge.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit Ephesians 5:18

The Greek present imperative tense is used here and that indicates a continuous filling and not a one time event.

52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit. Acts 13:52

The Greek there meaning continually filled, again not a one time event.

So you are correct. It is not up to you. It is, however up to God and despite your best efforts He continues to bless with the infilling of His Spirit and through His Spirit He gives gifts, spiritual gifts, for the benefit of the body of Christ and because He desires for us to be empowered to be His witnesses of the life of Christ within us.

I do not give credence to whatever pompous reply you dream up. I have probably read them all over time spent here in the last several years including your delusion that demons operate through those who speak in tongues. Not all have the same experience and there are various gifts even within the gift of tongues but probably no use in pointing that out to you.

In fact, I am going to put you on ignore so as not to give myself the impossible task of having an actual exchange of any value with you.
Wise

He trolls anything to do with the gifts and Holy Spirit.

His god has left him in a powerless wilderness.

Cessationists even turn mat 18:18 into "forgiving sins of others"

They troll charismatics.
 

tantalon

Active member
Oct 11, 2019
286
105
43
"Tongues" an unlearned language, given to one by the Spirit, as one of the nine gifts. This language, is given to one personally so as to be edified while speaking it. It simply by -passes the intellect of that person and glorifies the personage of God and the Holy. In a church setting, it can be used to announce to the congregation, that what follows will be an interpretation, containing a correction, learning, or event for the church body in the common language.
 
L

lenna

Guest
Always fascinated by how anyone can so confidently ascribe motives from just reading words on the Internet, made by strangers who they don't know, and cannot see in real life.
Yet you do it constantly. Must be a case of do as I say and not as I do. :LOL:
 
L

lenna

Guest
Wise

He trolls anything to do with the gifts and Holy Spirit.

His god has left him in a powerless wilderness.

Cessationists even turn mat 18:18 into "forgiving sins of others"

They troll charismatics.
Well perhaps less wise than experienced. There are a few here who do exactly that. You have to wonder what they do when there is not a current thread they can spoil. I guess eat potato chips and look out the window. :unsure::whistle:
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
In 1.Cor.14,5 Paul statet that it is much better to prophecie then to speak in tongues.
And do you also agree with that what Paul said in vers 34?
I will answer your question. I agree with, and keep, verse 34 to the best of my current knowledge and ability. So I will ask you a question.

Do you covet to prophesy? (Seeing as how you claim to agree that it is greater, and there is a command towards it.)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
Always fascinated by how anyone can so confidently ascribe motives from just reading words on the Internet, made by strangers who they don't know, and cannot see in real life.
And did you "ascribe motives to someone (God), just from reading words on a page, made by someone you did not know, and cannot see in real life"?

(Not an accusation but rather food for thought)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
"Tongues" an unlearned language, given to one by the Spirit, as one of the nine gifts. This language, is given to one personally so as to be edified while speaking it. It simply by -passes the intellect of that person and glorifies the personage of God and the Holy. In a church setting, it can be used to announce to the congregation, that what follows will be an interpretation, containing a correction, learning, or event for the church body in the common language.
Very well said. I might disagree slightly on one portion (and I only say that part so one doesn't misinterpret my meaning) but you worded that quite well. Thanks for your post.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
I will answer your question. I agree with, and keep, verse 34 to the best of my current knowledge and ability. So I will ask you a question.

Do you covet to prophesy? (Seeing as how you claim to agree that it is greater, and there is a command towards it.)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
@wolfwint :

I should add that I (and 1 Corinthians 14:39) am talking about the kind of prophecy that was active when Paul wrote those words. Not the watered down, softened definition of "prophecy" that some have created to try to claim they keep that verse.

Don't pretend. Be honest in your answer.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,589
873
113
61
@wolfwint :

I should add that I (and 1 Corinthians 14:39) am talking about the kind of prophecy that was active when Paul wrote those words. Not the watered down, softened definition of "prophecy" that some have created to try to claim they keep that verse.

Don't pretend. Be honest in your answer.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Well, I suppose we dont need the gift of prophecie in the way the believers got it during the time the scripture did not exist as a book we have today. Believers in Pauls days had no bible to open and read what God is revealing to them.
That means not that God is not uesing prophecie today, too.
But the almost we have to know, we can read in our bible.
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
Well, I suppose we dont need the gift of prophecie in the way the believers got it during the time the scripture did not exist as a book we have today. Believers in Pauls days had no bible to open and read what God is revealing to them.
That means not that God is not uesing prophecie today, too.
But the almost we have to know, we can read in our bible.
That would be a "No." .

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

Senior Member
Oct 8, 2017
1,881
717
113
I'll say this for the benefit of all readers:

Prophesying was and is for real-time correction, real-time instructions, real-time encouragement, declaring things to come, etc, etc.

It is false teaching to say that prophesying was only for the creation of scripture. And that is provable BY the bible, which names many prophets, yet includes only a few of some of those prophets' words.

I'll add this for a bonus: The bible does not contain all scripture, nor does it claim to. It similarly doesn't contain the words of all true God-ordained prophets, nor does it claim to. The word of God is in heavens, in the earth, and cannot be contained in a single volume on earth. Not even the full truth of Jesus' walking on earth is contained in the bible, as says John 20:30 "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:"

Prophecy was not and is not limited to producing of scripture! The other things prophecy does are still needed...and WILL BE needed until the day the church is perfected, as says Ephesians 4:11-13:
  • For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." <-- the perfect is needed IN US, not in the world.

The bible (even if it WAS the perfect) is only manifested in the world so far. It is NOT yet fully manifested (complete, perfect) in the believers. WE ...(let me say that again)... WE still walk in PART, and wait, tarry, abide, continue, occupy, hope, etc until the perfect comes.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,589
873
113
61
That would be a "No." .

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Right I am not coved this gift. As I said there it is today different then in the days of Paul.

Also if you read 1. Cor. 14,5 then you can also understand that Paul is sharing his View.
He says, he wishes that all speak in tongues.
But better as to speak in tongues, is to prophecie. This is a wish, he knew that it is not so in reality.
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,589
873
113
61
I'll say this for the benefit of all readers:

Prophesying was and is for real-time correction, real-time instructions, real-time encouragement, declaring things to come, etc, etc.

It is false teaching to say that prophesying was only for the creation of scripture. And that is provable BY the bible, which names many prophets, yet includes only a few of some of those prophets' words.

I'll add this for a bonus: The bible does not contain all scripture, nor does it claim to. It similarly doesn't contain the words of all true God-ordained prophets, nor does it claim to. The word of God is in heavens, in the earth, and cannot be contained in a single volume on earth. Not even the full truth of Jesus' walking on earth is contained in the bible, as says John 20:30 "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:"

Prophecy was not and is not limited to producing of scripture! The other things prophecy does are still needed...and WILL BE needed until the day the church is perfected, as says Ephesians 4:11-13:
  • For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." <-- the perfect is needed IN US, not in the world.

The bible (even if it WAS the perfect) is only manifested in the world so far. It is NOT yet fully manifested (complete, perfect) in the believers. WE ...(let me say that again)... WE still walk in PART, and wait, tarry, abide, continue, occupy, hope, etc until the perfect comes.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Well, I can only partwise agree with you.
If a Prophet is someone who gives Gods word to people.
Then we have 1. to see that we have Gods word to read.

2. The the Spirit is the one who gives us the understanding about the word.

3. The believers in Pauls time had not the whole NT as scripture to read and where depend that God reveals the word through prophets.

4. Today you can say every preacher who shares the word is a prophet.

5. There is no biblical truth out of the bible. Means if there a revealations from prophets they are not NEW and not against what is already written down.

6. The prophecie has to be checked from the word of God.

7. It can be that God is giving prophecies in
the situation of a Person.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
I will answer your question. I agree with, and keep, verse 34 to the best of my current knowledge and ability. So I will ask you a question.

Do you covet to prophesy? (Seeing as how you claim to agree that it is greater, and there is a command towards it.)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Praying, hoping a unseen God can hear us, is prophecy, "a work of faith", (believing).

Prophecy is the greater because it shows God is working through his living word in these bodies of death to both will and do his good pleasure .

To prophecy is to declare the will of a person. Its a law of God called the law of faith not a oral tradition of men making senseless sounds with claim to fill something which in the end which prove nothing. Nothing proves nothing .We have the witness of His word

Those who will have nothing to do with prophecy alone (sola scriptura) without the oral tradition of men are warned of seeking after unknown wonderments used for self edification Isaiah 28 the law is the foundation of the doctrine. It is repeated in 1 Corihtinans 14: 21-22

God Wants to Help His People

Isaiah 28: 9-12 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”


So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”

But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be
senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”


When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.
 
Jan 12, 2019
7,497
1,399
113
And did you "ascribe motives to someone (God), just from reading words on a page, made by someone you did not know, and cannot see in real life"?

(Not an accusation but rather food for thought)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I don't claim that I understand God fully for sure. I put my faith in what the Word says.

But when non Christians come to me and tell me they don't believe that God exists or that he is love, I can also understand why they come to that viewpoint.