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SoulWeaver

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It doesn't. I'm sorry SoulWeaver.
Sorry if I sounded angry (I really wasn't). I was just asking. I felt later like my response might have hurt you, and that upset me. It is sometimes impossible to carry our tone faithfully in written text. I sometimes embellish with smilies but that gets old.
 
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Sorry if I sounded angry (I really wasn't). I was just asking. I felt later like my response might have hurt you, and that upset me. It is sometimes impossible to carry our tone faithfully in written text. I sometimes embellish with smilies but that gets old.
Nah, dear friend you weren't offensive in any way. I offended you and you were very gratious about it. I appreciate that.
 

Blik

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Worldly knowledge is the pursuit of God is vanity (like philosophy).

I seek wisdom and understanding only from scripture:

Proverbs 2:1-6

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
And to understand the knowledge that God gives you need education. If you don't know how to read (worldly knowledge) how will you study the Lord's ways? If you don't know about the times the men who wrote down what the Lord told them lived in how are you to know what those words he used meant to him? The Lord is not against going to school. He is against using our intellect and reason to oppose Him.
 
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If you don't know about the times the men who wrote down what the Lord told them lived in how are you to know what those words he used meant to him?
The times in which the scriptures were written are irrelevant.

The scriptures speak to the eternal spiritual needs of man; chiefly the salvation of the soul; Not the temporal things pertaining to the fashion of this world that passes away (1 Corinthians 7:31).

The education that God instructs to give our children is in the holy word, period.

Deuteronomy 6:7-9
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
 

Blik

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The times in which the scriptures were written are irrelevant.

The scriptures speak to the eternal spiritual needs of man; chiefly the salvation of the soul; Not the temporal things pertaining to the fashion of this world that passes away (1 Corinthians 7:31).

The education that God instructs to give our children is in the holy word, period.

Deuteronomy 6:7-9
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
I disagree with you. I base this on that we need to know what is meant by the words used to express the truth of the lord.

As an example, salt is often used in scripture. It had special meaning to men of different ages, what did it mean to them each time it is used? The word Shalom is transcribed often in scripture, What does that word mean and when is it the used originally? The word Torah is often transcribed as law in scripture, When is that the original word and what does it mean? Paul usually wrote his letters to individual churches to solve a problem they had. What was that problem and does it relate to our problems today?
 
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As an example, salt is often used in scripture. It had special meaning to men of different ages
It did? How do you know this?

The word Shalom is transcribed often in scripture, What does that word mean and when is it the used originally?
It does not impact my right standing with God whether or not I know "Shalom" meant something else to man then or now.

The word Torah is often transcribed as law in scripture, When is that the original word and what does it mean?
According to skilled translators it means "law, direction, instruction". That is what it always meant; I'll have faith in that.

Paul usually wrote his letters to individual churches to solve a problem they had. What was that problem and does it relate to our problems today?
You are doting about questions as the scripture says (1 Timothy 6:4 KJV).

Just exercise faith in the word and stop over thinking in vain things.
 

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Why did God say that we would go to Hell if we took the Mark of the Beast? And why is it called the Mark of the Beast? There must be more to it that we do not understand at this point. Without it we can not feed our family or provide a place to live.
If you read the scripture in context.. You will see that first comes the call to worship the image of the beast..THEN comes the call to recieve the Mark.. The Bible declares that all who recieve the Mark of the beast are doomed.. It DOES NOT SAY that they are doomed FOR recieving the Mark of the beast.. It just says all who recieve the mark will be doomed.. By that time all who will be accepting the Mark of the beast will be totally won over by the anti-christ and they will believe that he is God on earth.. The Bible also declares that in the end times God will give people over to the great deception and send them strong delusion so that they will believe the lie.. Because they have rejected the Love of the Truth by which they would have been saved ( The Gospel )

Yes times will be extremely hard and there will be great persecution and tribulation for Christians who have not been given over to delusion and deception.. But Jesus said that we would be hated because we embrace the Love of the truth that comes from Jesus.. If we die.. So be it.. We have eternal life and we are eternal victors with Christ..

1) The Worship of the Beast before the Mark::

Revelation 13: KJV

15 "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. {16} And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: {17} And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

2) People who reject the Gospel truth of Jesus being given over to deception and delusion in the end times::

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
 

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If you read the scripture in context.. You will see that first comes the call to worship the image of the beast..THEN comes the call to recieve the Mark.. The Bible declares that all who recieve the Mark of the beast are doomed.. It DOES NOT SAY that they are doomed FOR recieving the Mark of the beast.. It just says all who recieve the mark will be doomed.. By that time all who will be accepting the Mark of the beast will be totally won over by the anti-christ and they will believe that he is God on earth.. The Bible also declares that in the end times God will give people over to the great deception and send them strong delusion so that they will believe the lie.. Because they have rejected the Love of the Truth by which they would have been saved ( The Gospel )
(NB recEIve not what you wrote 3 times. I before E except after c.)


Context does NOT mean in chronological order. I have read many good commentaries on Revelation and most of them say Revelation is not in chronological order. For example, Rev 20 happens before Rev 19, even though it is after 19 on the scroll.

Context really applies to this example. First, you look at what the people who it was written to believe. The nature of Greek verbs, is that time is much less important than aspect- your view of what is happening. Context means finding out that chronological time is not as important to those living in the 1st century, compared to now. You should not impose our chronology on Rev., written 1900 years earlier.

Context also looks at the verse in the passage, the passage in the chapter, the chapter in the book, the book in its testament, the testament in light of the other testament, and all of this in light of Jesus Christ, who is God.

Context is never imposing our culture and views, on people who lived 2000 or 3500 years ago. Because we don't live in those times. We have to be very careful we don't read into something that is culture specific to then, not now.

It also means discerning the foundations that do apply to now. Things like morality, discipleship, and the 2 laws, loving God and loving others. It does not mean following Levitical laws, which weren't even for the majority of Jews, just for the priests and Levite's, who needed to be clean to serve God in the temple. Because today, God washes us clean through the blood of Jesus, who was the final offering for sin!

It means interpreting OT prophecies as to how they were fulfilled in Jesus, or doubled prophecies, fulfilled twice at Jesus first and second comings, or something else.

Context means understanding the people of God, the surrounding nations, the geography, the history or other facts about who was being written to.

For example, many were shepherds in the Bible. There are many agricultural parables, which the people understood, because they lived close to the land. Today, if you live in a large forest, or in the tropics or the Arctic, you might have to do research to find out the parts that are universal. God does not expect us to be shepherds, but he does want us to understand the importance of the metaphor.

I always get atheists telling me the a Bible is misogynistic, compared to now. But if you actually compare how women were treated in surrounding cultures, you will find God moving his people forward, in relationship to the tribes around them. He had Deborah as a judge! The daughters of Zelophehad were given property rights. No other nation did that. And Paul says we are neither male nor female in Christ. Paul worked with women apostles and second. You can't compare ancient Israel, or Palestine under the Romans to our overly progressive feminist culture. Yet it happens all the time, esp, by people who have never studied history. And yet, women still offer their unborn babies to Moloch, in a selfish sacrifice to their god of self, and their own sinful pleasure.

Of course there are many other examples. In the end, I trust God's Word and his instructions to the ancient people, until I find out why something was done. Like not eat pigs or shellfish - which even today are sometimes unsafe to eat. Shellfish can have deadly Red Tide. I remember going to the Pacific Ocean, and being excited to dig for clams to eat. But there were signs everywhere saying not to eat them, because Red Tide was blooming. Or not wearing 2 different fabrics in the same garment. The first times I read that, wearing blends in my clothes, I was freaked out. I learned that 2 kinds of cloth, like 2 plants in the same field were about cleanliness and separation from the world.

So be careful what you call "context!" There are many aspects to this very important word!
 
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Genesis 2:17
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This implies that there would have been no death and decay until Eve was deceived and ate of the tree (causing Adam to also eat also).
He's talking to Adam
 

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(NB recEIve not what you wrote 3 times. I before E except after c.)


Context does NOT mean in chronological order. I have read many good commentaries on Revelation and most of them say Revelation is not in chronological order. For example, Rev 20 happens before Rev 19, even though it is after 19 on the scroll.
I believe that revelation 19 and 20 are in chronological order.. So i disagree.

Context really applies to this example. First, you look at what the people who it was written to believe. The nature of Greek verbs, is that time is much less important than aspect- your view of what is happening. Context means finding out that chronological time is not as important to those living in the 1st century, compared to now. You should not impose our chronology on Rev., written 1900 years earlier.
I believe God preserves His Word and the Bible is accurate as it is..

It also means discerning the foundations that do apply to now. Things like morality, discipleship, and the 2 laws, loving God and loving others. It does not mean following Levitical laws,
What has this got to do with lavitical laws.. They are in a different part of the Bible.. My post was about the book of Revelation and the future, not about lavitical laws.. The rest of your post was much of the same..
 

Prycejosh1987

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Why did God say that we would go to Hell if we took the Mark of the Beast? And why is it called the Mark of the Beast? There must be more to it that we do not understand at this point. Without it we can not feed our family or provide a place to live.
Mark of the best is symbolic not literal, hes not going to be an actual beast., but his character and persona will be beast like. When a person takes a mark of the beast it will mean that they are completely deny Jesus and God. I always thought that the mark would be forced onto us, but no, it will be offered and the take it the person acknowledges that Jesus is not God. Look how many people in this world deny Jesus as God, the Antichrist wont have to try hard to put thoughts of betrayal in peoples minds.
 

Silverwings

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Mark of the best is symbolic not literal, hes not going to be an actual beast., but his character and persona will be beast like. When a person takes a mark of the beast it will mean that they are completely deny Jesus and God. I always thought that the mark would be forced onto us, but no, it will be offered and the take it the person acknowledges that Jesus is not God. Look how many people in this world deny Jesus as God, the Antichrist wont have to try hard to put thoughts of betrayal in peoples minds.
There has to be some way to mark us how else would they keep us from buying and selling? microchip perhaps?

The beast sounds like one person to me, the Antichrist, and he seems very literal to me.

https://www.gotquestions.org/beast-of-Revelation.html
 

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There has to be some way to mark us how else would they keep us from buying and selling? microchip perhaps?

The beast sounds like one person to me, the Antichrist, and he seems very literal to me.

https://www.gotquestions.org/beast-of-Revelation.html
Yes the beast is a man because the number of the beast is a number of a man.. The beast is also the end times empire the Anti-christ will rule..

Revelation 13:
18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."