THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

KJV1611 · Jul 20, 2020

The word says that Jesus would return before the 12 disciples went to all the cities of Israel. How do you reconcile this with a future coming after the disciples are dead?

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

PlainWord · Jul 20, 2020

Chester said:

Except you aren't sticking to the Word. This is what the Word says:

Mat 24: 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Mat 10:23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Mat 16: 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place...3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Rev 1:7 7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Heb 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son

Rev 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”

All of these passages scream of a first century return. The disciples clearly were expecting Him to return.

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

KJV1611 said:

1 Timothy 4:16 (HCSB)
16 Pay close attention to your life and your teaching; persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Revelation 1:3 (NJB)
3 Blessed is anyone who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed those who hear them, if they treasure the content, because the Time is near.

Hebrews 3:15 (HCSB)
15 As it is said: Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

iamsoandso said:

NO, it is not HEARSAY, it is the way a Born Again Christian LIVES, expecting the LORD any day.

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

iamsoandso said:

AND FROM REVELATION Chapter 4, IT is all Future Prophecy.

PlainWord · Jul 20, 2020

In John 21 Jesus says this:

18 Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish.” 19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, “Follow Me.

20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

22 Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.

Concerning Peter, the Lord stated that Peter would live to be an old man and would die a martyr.

Concerning John, Jesus strongly suggested that He would still be alive until He came.

History tells us that Peter died under Nero, likely around 66-68 AD.

History tells us that John lived past 70 AD and perhaps into the early 2nd century.

The Preterist view works for this passage and all the passages of my last post. The futurist view does not work for any of these passages without doing a lot of mental gymnastics and corrections to the clear meanings.

PlainWord · Jul 20, 2020

VCO said:

Did you mean HERESY? We do not live by following HEARSAY

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PlainWord · Jul 20, 2020

I am doing just fine not expecting the Lord to return any day. According to you guys there has to be a third temple and an antichrist killing most of the world before the Lord can return. I think even the pre-tribber expects the temple to be built first. If the Lord came tomorrow and took 2.2 billion Christians off the planet, how can another man come soon after claiming to be Christ here for the rapture?

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

OKAY, I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING NEW, that I had never heard before. IT IS A MAJOR STUMBLING BLOCK of WHEN the JEWS can build the Third TEMPLE. This takes the THIRD TEMPLE completely out of the Picture; and forces them to SETTLE for the Tabernacle of DAVID.

It is Prophesied that the Tabernacle of DAVID will be restored, but I assumed it would be a temporary thing, but THE RIGHTFUL KING IS NOT DEAD, and a KING has to be anointed from the Davidic Dynasty, has to be in place, BEFORE the Temple can be built.

Acts 15:15-18 (NASB)
15 "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

Amos 9:11 (NASB77)
11 "In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old;

Jeremiah 12:15-17 (NASB77)
15 "And it will come about that after I have uprooted them, I will again have compassion on them; and I will bring them back, each one to his inheritance and each one to his land.
16 "Then it will come about that if they will really learn the ways of My people, to swear by My name, 'As the LORD lives,' even as they taught My people to swear by Baal, then they will be built up in the midst of My people.
17 "But if they will not listen, then I will uproot that nation, uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD.

Why does the LORD allow the MASSIVE DESTRUCTION In ISRAEL to HAPPEN ? ? ? I think I just found the REASON.

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NASB77)
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished, and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

Zechariah 14:9 (NASB77)
9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.

KJV1611 · Jul 20, 2020

PlainWord said:

I believe it's the NWO project bluebeam that is staging the dispensational end times scenario where the temple gets rebuilt and the AC takes power and then comes the faked second coming of Christ..... These poor folk are going to fall for this deception.

KJV1611 · Jul 20, 2020

VCO said:

OKAY, I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING NEW, that I had never heard before. IT IS A MAJOR STUMBLING BLOCK of WHEN the JEWS can build the Third TEMPLE. This takes the THIRD TEMPLE completely out of the Picture; and forces them to SETTLE for the Tabernacle of DAVID.

It is Prophesied that the Tabernacle of DAVID will be restored, but I assumed it would be a temporary thing, but THE RIGHTFUL KING IS NOT DEAD, and a KING has to be anointed from the Davidic Dynasty, has to be in place, BEFORE the Temple can be built.

Acts 15:15-18 (NASB)
15 "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

Amos 9:11 (NASB77)
11 "In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old;

Jeremiah 12:15-17 (NASB77)
15 "And it will come about that after I have uprooted them, I will again have compassion on them; and I will bring them back, each one to his inheritance and each one to his land.
16 "Then it will come about that if they will really learn the ways of My people, to swear by My name, 'As the LORD lives,' even as they taught My people to swear by Baal, then they will be built up in the midst of My people.
17 "But if they will not listen, then I will uproot that nation, uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD.

Why does the LORD allow the MASSIVE DESTRUCTION In ISRAEL to HAPPEN ? ? ? I think I just found the REASON.

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NASB77)
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished, and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

Zechariah 14:9 (NASB77)
9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.

So all of the other stuff you have been saying was just flat out wrong?

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

KJV1611 said:

NOT IN THE LEAST.

The Temple Still Belongs in the City of DAVID.

Yes the JEWS still want to build the Third Temple, They added a stipulation of anointing a new King that Christians could not support.

The JEWS may still build it on the so-called Temple Mount, which would be the WRONG location, and would not be HOLY.

The Antichrist will still sit in the TEMPLE showing he is god, so at some point they will build the TEMPLE.

IF THE JEWS GET IT BUILT, IT WILL BE WITHOUT Christian Support, as long as THEY want to anoint a KING FIRST.

ANCIENT JERUSALEM starts at the Southern border of the OPHEL and runs SOUTH along the Mount Moriah Ridge.

Mount Zion is just a few steps North of the North West Corner of Ancient Jerusalem, where David's Palace is, currently City of David.

ZION, was the nick name of Ancient Jerusalem.

ETC.

The only thing that has changed, is if INSIST on Crowning a new KING, we cannot support them, and neither will GOD. They will be on their own, defying GOD, in their zealousness for the TEMPLE. How soon do the TWO WITNESSES arrive to convince them JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH AND KING? After the 144,000 SETTLE in ANCIENT JERUSALEM, recreated by the LORD HIMSELF. Only mortal inhabitants in ISRAEL will be the 144,000 JEWS sealed from Harm from WWIII, and THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST as HE battles the ARMIES of the WORLD that GOD has drawn them to Jerusalem and the Valley of Megiddo.

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iamsoandso · Jul 20, 2020

PlainWord said:

Yes literal. Here's is the passage and what it means:

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Compare to Luke 21:

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Those who held the Jews captive inside Jerusalem and killed them with the sword were the zealots of 67-70 AD. Josephus calls them tyrants and robbers. When Rome broke through, these tyrants were the ones being killed by sword and taken captive. As for the 42 months, that was the time of Nero's persecution of Christians. He made war with the saints and overcame them. He spoke blasphemy against God, His name Israel, and His temple. Nero had authority over all nations. He was worshiped as a god. Jerusalem was trampled by Roman solders until it was destroyed. Then they left.

This is why you have to assume who and what the mark,image ect. are.

iamsoandso · Jul 20, 2020

PlainWord said:

What the heck is this? "Great words of peace?" "Fatal head wounds?" "Resurrection after 3 days." "Declaring himself to be God." None of these things are told to us.

Let's deal with the fatal head wound first from Rev 13:

Revelation 13 paints a picture of first century Rome, the Beast of the Sea and later, the Earth.

The beast with the 7 heads rising up out of the sea was the Roman Empire. "The SEA" often represents a Gentile Nation while the "Earth" represents a specific Land, usually Israel. The 7 heads were the 7 leaders of Rome up to this time:

Julius Caesar
Caesar Augustus
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius
Nero
Vespasian

The sixth head was the beast with the mortal wound, Nero, who committed suicide by stabbing himself in the neck. Thus, the first 6 Caesars made up the family line of Julio-Claudian Dynasty which ended with Nero. Following the death of Nero, when the kingdom went dark at the height of its strength, many believed it had died. Nero did not name a successor. Because of this Rome entered a brutal and bloody civil war during the year of the 4 emperors. Galba, Otho and Vitellius were not of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty, they were never able to consolidate power to control the whole empire, nor were they recognized by the Senate. Thus, they were not heads. During their reigns, the offensive against Israel ordered by Nero, was suspended.

The Flavian Dynasty marked Rome's rebirth or resurrection. It wasn't until Vespasian that the mortal wound was healed and the Roman Civil War ended and the satanic Beast kingdom was restored. When Vespasian was declared Caesar, his two sons Titus and Domitian were also declared Caesar so that a clear line of succession would be in place. This was an unholy trinity. The Beast of the Earth was Vespasian who I have no problems using the term "AntiChrist" although that Biblical term applied only to the spirit of heresy and is only found in 1 and 2 John. As a type of opposite to God and Son Vespasian who was worshiped as God and His Son, Titus took the same name, Titus Flavius Vespasianus. Thus they were an opposite to God, Father and HS.

Thus Vespasian was the seven head that "grew out" of the sixth severed head along with his son, Titus. Titus was then the 8th head but part of the 7 as stated in Rev 17. The Roman Empire was restored under a new dynasty, the Flavian Dynasty. I believe this historical peculiarity subtly points to these two heads of the beast growing up out of the same severed neck. (Interestingly just as Nero Caesar transliterated into Hebrew characters adds up to 666 so does Titus Flavius Vespasianus by the same transliteration. The fact that two heads grew up in the place of the old severed head is also implied in Revelation 17:11. According to Revelation 17:11 the beast who once had seven heads eventually ends up with eight. This eighth head was the previous seventh head since two heads grew up from the stump of the previous sixth head representing Nero.

The Satanic nature of Rome as the beast started with the birth of Augustus. As a direct opposite to the virgin birth of Christ, Augustus was said to have been born of a serpent.

Concerning the story of the divine birth of Augustus found in the Theologumena, Suetonius writes:

Augustus’s mother, Atia, with certain married women friends, once attended a solemn midnight service at the Temple of Apollo, where she had her litter set down, and presently fell asleep as the others also did. Suddenly a serpent gliding up, entered her, and then gliding away again. On awakening, she purified herself, as if after intimacy with her husband. An irremovable coloured mark in the shape of a serpent, which then appeared on her body, made her ashamed to visit the public baths any more; and the birth of Augustus nine months later suggested a divine paternity.

Vespasian came from the Earth (Israel) before he returned to Rome as its emperor as he came out of Israel where Nero sent him to put down the Jewish rebellion. In fact many Jews who were against the war viewed Vespasian as their Messiah sent to save them from the zealots.

So if the Jews rebelled against Rome and Caesar, (1st,2nd,3rd revolt), then it wouldn't make any sense to think or say that they worshiped the image of Rome or Caesar so who in this hypothesis is it that received the mark,worshiped it's image and was destroyed in ad70 at the Lords coming?

iamsoandso · Jul 20, 2020

PlainWord said:

In Revelation 7:9 it says that a multitude of people,nations,tongues ect. would come out of the tribulation. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 7&version=KJV

iamsoandso · Jul 20, 2020

KJV1611 said:

You see that the devil mimics the events of the second coming and that they think they are helping God when they are deceived and helping the devil instead,,but you don't speak of the rest. Ask yourself whats next and then you'll throw your hands on your face if you see it.

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

iamsoandso said:

I am convinced that Holy Spirit gave me INSIGHT in the True Mark of the BEAST a couple years ago.

It is a Super Computer that has EVERYONE"S Bank Account is in it's Memory. And an implanted Chip to replace credit and bank cards.

VCO · Jul 20, 2020

Video was posted March 16, 2011.

Mar 16, 2011

iamsoandso · Jul 20, 2020

VCO said:

It's the number of your name that you have in your forehead and enter with your right hand. Only the one with the knowledge of it has the wisdom to calculate it.

SoulWeaver · Jul 21, 2020

VCO said:

I believe that the mark is sin by thought (forehead) and deed (right hand). It is the opposite of our forehead seal by the Spirit. In this way the Scripture was fulfilled for all generations. But what you say may be a more physical manifestation of the Word too, something like that might totally happen in the future. Considering how singularity artificial intelligence promoters plan on "uploading" themselves into the cloud mind (cloud of Shekinah glory impostor-ship much?) and live for ever with the technology of the future. There are constant efforts towards this and towards "upgrading" people into cyborgs.

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