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Chimps were tested. Then humans. Now 30 - 40K humans. Sometimes vaccines are successful. The only reason the successful ones take so long to be available in most cases historically is that the system was way too slow. The approval bottlenecks where people take too long to do their job for no apparent reason. None of the safety tests that have been used for decades are being skipped. More manpower and reduction of unnecessary bottlenecks in the bureaucracy and what has long been lamented as unnecessary delays have been improved and hopefully this will remain that way in the future. That is how I understand it and I have no reason to believe they would lie about not skipping any of the safety tests they have been doing for decades and consider nonnegotiable mandated requirements. The 40K to 50K human testing will give me confidence in the safety. I don't think it is necessary to wait for 6 months or a year to see if there is a problem that takes a year to show up because if that were a real problem there would be previous examples and there isn't. There are only made up lies and stories by antivaccine liars who are wicked in their hearts and have no shame in spreading lies that they know they made up. That's my opinion today. Until I have credible evidence otherwise.
I think the Meme is playing off the facts that they have authorized billions of doses to be manufactured to make it possible for people to receive them at the earliest possible date AFTER the safety test phase 3/4 are complete. They however are modifying it to say that health workers are going to get the vaccine before the phase 3 tests are completed, which is not true. Unless those 30K test subjects are made up of voluntary frontline health workers which might be the case, but whoever the test cases are they willfully desire to be part of that test group to determine safety.
I think the meme is a willful lie and stupid people will repeat it as though it is a fact. They will say I have researched and I know that they are going to give it healthcare workers before do the safety testing later. I read it on the interwebs. LOL
Probably pride...since your assumptions have a hole blown in them a ship could sail through.
Hydroxychloroquine works and you can demonize and deflect all you want but the team of doctors using it is catching on like wildfire.
There are fake studies against it...as you are drawn to....that LEAVE OUT ZINC AND USE LOW INEFFECTIVE DOSES.
Hydroxychloroquine works and you can demonize and deflect all you want but the team of doctors using it is catching on like wildfire.
There are fake studies against it...as you are drawn to....that LEAVE OUT ZINC AND USE LOW INEFFECTIVE DOSES.
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Meanwhile thousands die. The hospitals just watch them die.
Dr immanuels latest interview is on the Houston papers website.
Wow is she ever a strong woman of God. She defends her use of hydroxy masterfully and keeps challenging the fake studies against it.
I copied one of the comments.
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""Believe or not but this is the TRUE:
“Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett, publicly expressed her gratitude toward President Trump for her coronavirus recovery, and now she is facing possible censure from her fellow Democrats”.
Whitsett has indicated that the president may have helped save her life by publicly discussing the drug hydroxychloroquine, which she says helped her to recover.""
Figure it out folks the dems and rhinos DO NOT WANT HYDROXY to help the victims.
....but are most likely using it secretly.
Dr immanuels latest interview is on the Houston papers website.
Wow is she ever a strong woman of God. She defends her use of hydroxy masterfully and keeps challenging the fake studies against it.
I copied one of the comments.
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""Believe or not but this is the TRUE:
“Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett, publicly expressed her gratitude toward President Trump for her coronavirus recovery, and now she is facing possible censure from her fellow Democrats”.
Whitsett has indicated that the president may have helped save her life by publicly discussing the drug hydroxychloroquine, which she says helped her to recover.""
Figure it out folks the dems and rhinos DO NOT WANT HYDROXY to help the victims.
....but are most likely using it secretly.
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QUOTE ; ""I have read that all of the experts who have examined it that know about these things say it has all the indications and markings of a naturally occurring virus that probably did come from bats. There are several others types of coronaviruses that are being studied that come from bats""
From the very first story on corona outbreak in the first of the year,the Chinese framed it as you believe.
You naturally believe it. You naturally trust all governments and politicians.
You think governments of the world. Will save you and keep you safe.
We were attacked in bio warfare. China sent infected people to america and all over the world.
You know nothing of Gates,deep state, soros,monsanto,big pharma,bankers,patents,agenda 21 etc that are working to take over the world.
Pssst....it is the antichrist one world system that is rising up.
TOTAL CONTROL.
You have bought it.
From the very first story on corona outbreak in the first of the year,the Chinese framed it as you believe.
You naturally believe it. You naturally trust all governments and politicians.
You think governments of the world. Will save you and keep you safe.
We were attacked in bio warfare. China sent infected people to america and all over the world.
You know nothing of Gates,deep state, soros,monsanto,big pharma,bankers,patents,agenda 21 etc that are working to take over the world.
Pssst....it is the antichrist one world system that is rising up.
TOTAL CONTROL.
You have bought it.
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I work in the pharmaceutical/medical device industry. I’m fully aware of how the FDA operates. We have audits all the time. There are important, legitimate reasons why it takes long to bring drugs and vaccines to market.
The only rush with this vaccine is because of the massive hype, and Orwellian controls the government and media have promulgated.
Without me reading a book long post, show me where Moderna had chimpanzee testing.
The only rush with this vaccine is because of the massive hype, and Orwellian controls the government and media have promulgated.
Without me reading a book long post, show me where Moderna had chimpanzee testing.
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Sorry, correction, rhesus monkeys:
https://www.biospace.com/article/in...moderna-s-vaccine-protected-against-covid-19/
The bottom line is that the vaccine protected against infection in the nose and lungs and prevented pulmonary disease in all the monkeys. Both doses protected against the virus replicating in the lungs and lung inflammation. The larger dose protected against viral replication in the nose.
https://www.biospace.com/article/in...moderna-s-vaccine-protected-against-covid-19/
The bottom line is that the vaccine protected against infection in the nose and lungs and prevented pulmonary disease in all the monkeys. Both doses protected against the virus replicating in the lungs and lung inflammation. The larger dose protected against viral replication in the nose.
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Ok. Fair enough. They tested on a very few monkeys. But if I’m reading the article correctly, this occurred AFTER the 1st human were injected in their trials!
Also, how much more mounting evidence does there have to be before skeptics of a huge conspiracy, Amit that there is one?
Just how comfortable are you with troops , that’s right, the Army distributing this poison?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/30/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-388904
Also, how much more mounting evidence does there have to be before skeptics of a huge conspiracy, Amit that there is one?
Just how comfortable are you with troops , that’s right, the Army distributing this poison?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/30/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-388904
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You have strong opinions and I get that. Please notice that I give my opinions. You can give yours. I do not attack you personally and make disparaging remarks about you because of your opinions.
Calm down bro. Soon the dust will settle and facts will become visible and all the guesses will cease. Time will bring everything to a head. I don't really care who is right ahead of time. I am not in a "right fight" with anyone.
On most of these issues I can have a current opinion, that I have no problem changing with new information that I find credible. On most of these topics I pretty much live by the motto... "we'll see" and in time we will. Well, most of us. Some won't accept facts after the world has moved on and will still be talking about things proven wrong decades later but then I say..."to each his own" I am not going to let anyone's opinion disturb my peace and you shouldn't either.
Your replies seem to be emotionally charged accusations. This is never very persuasive in communications. If you want to present your reasons why you have drawn certain conclusions present credible evidences.
Calm down bro. Soon the dust will settle and facts will become visible and all the guesses will cease. Time will bring everything to a head. I don't really care who is right ahead of time. I am not in a "right fight" with anyone.
On most of these issues I can have a current opinion, that I have no problem changing with new information that I find credible. On most of these topics I pretty much live by the motto... "we'll see" and in time we will. Well, most of us. Some won't accept facts after the world has moved on and will still be talking about things proven wrong decades later but then I say..."to each his own" I am not going to let anyone's opinion disturb my peace and you shouldn't either.
Your replies seem to be emotionally charged accusations. This is never very persuasive in communications. If you want to present your reasons why you have drawn certain conclusions present credible evidences.
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See what you did there? The ARMY.. ohhh so scary... conjuring up images of troops marching into our cities and forcing us to be vaccinated. You replaced the words The Department of Defence with ARMY to fit your sinister spin.
Now when I read the quoted text below, I understand it as an effort to get this vaccine out to as many people as want it as fast as possible and so that those who want it can get it in the SHORTEST POSSIBLE TIME so that they will enjoy the benefit of NOT getting COVID at all rather than risking whether they will be one of the MAJORITY that survive it. And the DoD has the resources to help do this not to mention it is a WAR against us being waged by an vicious virus that doesn't give a hoot about your political beliefs.
"Private companies are also likely to join the effort. The first official said the government is bringing in people to integrate CDC IT capabilities with “some new applications that we’re going to need that the CDC never had.”
The background: The Pentagon will be guiding not just distribution logistics but also manufacturing and “kitting,” the process of safely packaging a vaccine with its necessary equipment such as syringes and needles.
“The DoD is handling all of those logistics — that is where their comparative advantage is,” said the first senior official. “And the CDC, some of their IT systems, relationships with the states following post-vaccination will belong to them.”
"how do we take advantage of the commercial capability of the private sector to handle things like distribution, and where will either DoD step in to help manage that process, or if necessary, will DoD be required to step in and actually physically deliver items itself, "
The dishonest mind will take that last quote? And rephrase it and put it in a meme and say that the Army is going to force it on us. When it is talking about distribution logistics. Like when the National Guard was used to setup hospitals in warehouses that they thought they might need at the beginning of the crisis. The DoD can help get the vaccines to the locations and whatever else is logistically needed to make it available without logistic bottlenecks so that people CAN BE SAVED from COVID deaths. Hallelujah! Can I get an AMEN SOMEBODY!?
Now when I read the quoted text below, I understand it as an effort to get this vaccine out to as many people as want it as fast as possible and so that those who want it can get it in the SHORTEST POSSIBLE TIME so that they will enjoy the benefit of NOT getting COVID at all rather than risking whether they will be one of the MAJORITY that survive it. And the DoD has the resources to help do this not to mention it is a WAR against us being waged by an vicious virus that doesn't give a hoot about your political beliefs.
"Private companies are also likely to join the effort. The first official said the government is bringing in people to integrate CDC IT capabilities with “some new applications that we’re going to need that the CDC never had.”
The background: The Pentagon will be guiding not just distribution logistics but also manufacturing and “kitting,” the process of safely packaging a vaccine with its necessary equipment such as syringes and needles.
“The DoD is handling all of those logistics — that is where their comparative advantage is,” said the first senior official. “And the CDC, some of their IT systems, relationships with the states following post-vaccination will belong to them.”
"how do we take advantage of the commercial capability of the private sector to handle things like distribution, and where will either DoD step in to help manage that process, or if necessary, will DoD be required to step in and actually physically deliver items itself, "
The dishonest mind will take that last quote? And rephrase it and put it in a meme and say that the Army is going to force it on us. When it is talking about distribution logistics. Like when the National Guard was used to setup hospitals in warehouses that they thought they might need at the beginning of the crisis. The DoD can help get the vaccines to the locations and whatever else is logistically needed to make it available without logistic bottlenecks so that people CAN BE SAVED from COVID deaths. Hallelujah! Can I get an AMEN SOMEBODY!?
You've moved to this thread without sustaining your prior claims in another thread concerning Covid. Why?
I'll remind you and await your answer.
https://christianchat.com/threads/censurship-is-happening-as-we-speak.193805/post-4332125
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If the mRNA genetically coded so that your cells produce a protein that will make the virus not be able to use its spike to infect the cell then that is a cure to the problem of COVID infection of human cells. and your immune system needed the vaccine to accomplish it as it could not do that on its own. I would call that a cure. Why would it not be a cure?
I asked: Where in the research of mRNA vaccine does it say mRNA Vaccinology is a cure for any virus?
I'll remind you and await your answer.
https://christianchat.com/threads/censurship-is-happening-as-we-speak.193805/post-4332125
Scribe said:
If the mRNA genetically coded so that your cells produce a protein that will make the virus not be able to use its spike to infect the cell then that is a cure to the problem of COVID infection of human cells. and your immune system needed the vaccine to accomplish it as it could not do that on its own. I would call that a cure. Why would it not be a cure?
I asked: Where in the research of mRNA vaccine does it say mRNA Vaccinology is a cure for any virus?
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What!!?
What the hell’s the difference between the Army and the department of defense? The term”Army “ has always demoted the broad term of the military.
But at least you answered the question that even if there was video of the devil injecting this poison into people you wouldn’t believe.
Now pull up a precedent of the military distributing vaccines, nationwide.
What the hell’s the difference between the Army and the department of defense? The term”Army “ has always demoted the broad term of the military.
But at least you answered the question that even if there was video of the devil injecting this poison into people you wouldn’t believe.
Now pull up a precedent of the military distributing vaccines, nationwide.
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People volunteering for the vaccine test knowing it has not been tested on animals sounds risky to my logical mind as it does yours, and I probably would pass at least until 2nd phase trials, but I don't see the conspiracy angle in that. I have already stated that many eyes are on this and
It is irrelevant. Your wrestling with the definition of the word cure. Vaccines can be called a prevention and a cure depending on context and type. I don't care.
It is irrelevant. Your wrestling with the definition of the word cure. Vaccines can be called a prevention and a cure depending on context and type. I don't care.
Forgive me but you are the one that interjected the idea that the pending vaccine is a cure for Covid-19. We're not speaking of vaccines in total here as you well know. This discussion pertains to Covid 19 alone and what you said about the vaccine cure. You went into a bit of detail about it prior to that post I excerpted to your attention here and from the other thread.
Now you don't care?
Here's what I think.
I think you don't have a resource from which to glean an answer so as to copy and paste it in a response to the query I made of you.
I will venture to say that PennEd could answer my question if he chose to.
I believe that if you knew what you were talking about from an educated perspective, you'd not have exited that other thread after I made the question public to you. Now you're here making assertions like you were in the other thread but when asked to sustain what you previously stated about vaccine, you avoid the responsibility of proving what you hoped was a prior point that was actually unsubstantiated assertion without evidence.
It appears you're wrestling with how to be real on a forum as you present a false profile in your posts so that others may infer you have some knowledge of Pharmacology or Vaccinology.
That's just my observation of your posting thus far. And I do care when you assume a stance against members here that arrives as one who is smug and condescending, while presenting what appears to be a false profile that you believe gives you license.
Now you don't care?
Here's what I think.
I think you don't have a resource from which to glean an answer so as to copy and paste it in a response to the query I made of you.
I will venture to say that PennEd could answer my question if he chose to.
I believe that if you knew what you were talking about from an educated perspective, you'd not have exited that other thread after I made the question public to you. Now you're here making assertions like you were in the other thread but when asked to sustain what you previously stated about vaccine, you avoid the responsibility of proving what you hoped was a prior point that was actually unsubstantiated assertion without evidence.
It appears you're wrestling with how to be real on a forum as you present a false profile in your posts so that others may infer you have some knowledge of Pharmacology or Vaccinology.
That's just my observation of your posting thus far. And I do care when you assume a stance against members here that arrives as one who is smug and condescending, while presenting what appears to be a false profile that you believe gives you license.
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I already did. The setting up of the hospitals and all the logistics that was involved in quickly getting a field hospital set up in warehouses or convention centers. It was very impressive how fast they did that.
This is a national crisis whether belligerent people want to deny it or not. The Department of Defence, the CDC, the Homeland Security Dept, are all involved and tasked with solving this problem as the departments our human government we created for purposes just like this. A threat to our national health and a life and death crisis that has taken out 152,000 so far and counting.
I don't care if every branch of the military and THEIR MOTHERS gets involved in helping to stamp it out, I am very impressed in what they are doing to defeat this and if it goes down like it looks like it might, it is going to be a historical success story that our grandchildren will be proud of.
THE LAND OF THE FREE / THE HOME OF THE BRAVE Now stand everyone with me in unison and salute our armed forces! And thank them for a job well done!
This is a national crisis whether belligerent people want to deny it or not. The Department of Defence, the CDC, the Homeland Security Dept, are all involved and tasked with solving this problem as the departments our human government we created for purposes just like this. A threat to our national health and a life and death crisis that has taken out 152,000 so far and counting.
I don't care if every branch of the military and THEIR MOTHERS gets involved in helping to stamp it out, I am very impressed in what they are doing to defeat this and if it goes down like it looks like it might, it is going to be a historical success story that our grandchildren will be proud of.
THE LAND OF THE FREE / THE HOME OF THE BRAVE Now stand everyone with me in unison and salute our armed forces! And thank them for a job well done!
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What I mean, is I do not care if the word cure is used in the study data or not. I am not contending for the word cure because I don't care. It is irrelevant to me. If it is able to defeat the virus if it gets in you then you can call it whatever you want, I don't care what one calls that. I will call it THE SOLUTION to the PROBLEM. How's that?
Now if you are asking where is the data that the vaccine works? I have posted in previous posts, if you missed it that is understandable but it does not mean I did not back my claims.
All you have to do is Google "Moderna Vaccine Phase 3 trials" Or read the article about the tests on the rhesus monkeys posted previously :
https://www.biospace.com/article/in...moderna-s-vaccine-protected-against-covid-19/
Quote: "The bottom line is that the vaccine protected against infection in the nose and lungs and prevented pulmonary disease in all the monkeys. Both doses protected against the virus replicating in the lungs and lung inflammation. The larger dose protected against viral replication in the nose. "
Now I do not know how the vaccine would work on a patient that is already hospitalized. If that is what you are asking. Maybe there is information on that as well. I haven't looked for it yet.
Now if you are asking where is the data that the vaccine works? I have posted in previous posts, if you missed it that is understandable but it does not mean I did not back my claims.
All you have to do is Google "Moderna Vaccine Phase 3 trials" Or read the article about the tests on the rhesus monkeys posted previously :
https://www.biospace.com/article/in...moderna-s-vaccine-protected-against-covid-19/
Quote: "The bottom line is that the vaccine protected against infection in the nose and lungs and prevented pulmonary disease in all the monkeys. Both doses protected against the virus replicating in the lungs and lung inflammation. The larger dose protected against viral replication in the nose. "
Now I do not know how the vaccine would work on a patient that is already hospitalized. If that is what you are asking. Maybe there is information on that as well. I haven't looked for it yet.
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